Talk:Ramones/GA2

GA Review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This article certainly has a chance of passing to GA but there are several things that need attention. I will be pointing out the issues once I do a thorough look at things. Issues that I "Recommend" be fixed are not issues that will prevent the passing to GA but will help the article overall. --Brad (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

   Recommend reading wp:overlink and seeing if there is anything to be done regarding the ocean of blue links throughout the article.

    Done Removed some wikilinks, there are still a few that are linked more than once but I believe appropriately. Specifically punk rock; there are three instances in the text but they are not close to each other and the topic is so central to this article that it would be underlinking to remove IMO. The 'Influence' section is quite blue but it lists artists which I believe should be wikilinked. J04n(talk page) 01:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   There are a number of books listed in the article that aren't being used with inline citations as references. The books not being cited in the article should be moved to a ==Further reading== or similarly worded section. --Brad (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

    Done I believe the reviewer is in error here, I was able to find an inline citation for every book listed in the 'sources' section. I suspect that the Miles book was in question but it is contained in reference 20. J04n(talk page) 03:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   You need to update the "retrieved on" dates that correspond to each note. Some of them are from 2007 though I'm aware that all of the links are working. --Brad (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

    Done d'oh! how did I forget that?! All set now.

   No; not done. I still see many outdated retrieve dates. You were correct to make them November 3 or 3 November instead of the 2009-03-11. --Brad (talk) 00:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

    Done my bad, all set now. J04n(talk page) 00:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   There are several paragraphs without inline citations. Additionally there are several paragraphs that lack trailing references ie:

   Dee Dee convinced the other members to take on the name and came up with the idea of calling the band the Ramones.[13] Hyman and Cummings became Joey Ramone and Johnny Ramone, respectively.<--- citation needed.

    Done J04n(talk page) 03:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   Not quite done. There are more paragraphs without trailing references. There also needs to be some references in the members and discography sections. --Brad (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   Citations in the lead section are optional unless strong statements are made that are not backed up in the body of the article. If you're going to keep citations in the lead then everything needs to be cited. --Brad (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

    Done J04n(talk page) 03:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

   Two issues here. First would be the mention of the Simpsons appearance. It's notable to mention the appearance but it goes into too much detail. Additionally the Simpsons appearance is unreferenced. Secondly, there is too much detail about the Hall of Fame induction. Both of these are sliding off into off topic land. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

   • I trimmed and referenced the Simpsons section but have to respectfully disagree with the Hall of Fame part. I assume the part that is being suggested to trim is who thanked who. To do this it would mean to drop what Tommy said about Johnny which I strongly feel would be inappropriate to remove. If that stays it seems wrong to take out the rest and it would only be one sentence anyway. J04n(talk page) 03:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   The article has a lot of recent activity with reverts but this would be expected in order to keep things referenced properly.

   I've changed this to no. One of my edits and another by Jo4n aimed at improving the article have been reverted. Additionally, there was a few minutes ago an edit war going on. I reverted the first as it looked like sillyness and last I saw, I had been reverted and the vandal was reverted again. This is making the article hard to assess for GA. Those with good intentions for this article need to get together on this GAR so they can understand what is going on. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

   • been stable for past week without the need for protection J04n(talk page) 03:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   Yes it has calmed down since then. --Brad (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   There are several fair use images and sounds that need to have rationale tags for this specific article. Fair use rationales for other articles do not apply here. Please fix these.

   Specifically: File:Ramones-Blitzkrieg Bop.ogg needs a fair use rationale; File:Marky Ramone at the 2009 Tribeca Film Festival.jpg Has a tag warning about personality rights on the file. If you can't be absolutely sure the photo won't cause trouble then you need to remove it from the article.

    Done J04n(talk page) 01:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

   Your removal of the image was reverted. Please reach an agreement over the pic remaining or not remaining. It may or may not be violating a personality right but that is not for me to determine. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

   • Not concerned about the picture, Marky was attending a premiere of a film that he was prominently featured. J04n(talk page) 03:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   I really cannot go further on this until the reverts have calmed down. If this is a persistent problem please ask for article protection. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

   I'm placing this article on hold for now. Unless there is activity to improve the article within 7 days it will fail. --Brad (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

There is still an unresolved issue with trailing references and the sections without any citations. The note on that was left above here in section 2-B. Doing good; almost there :) --Brad (talk) 03:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done I'm pretty sure that I got them all. J04n(talk page) 05:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

There are two paragraphs that still need citations. I've left a {{cn}} on them so they stand out better. The Members and Discography sections do not have any citations at all. These need to be done also. --Brad (talk) 01:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done are we there yet? J04n(talk page) 02:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I am happy to pass this now. Good work on saving this article from another fail. --Brad (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)