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Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2022

The etymology should also referred to “bringing pleasure to” because at this time men thought they were bringing pleasure to the other person because they thought the other person “really wanted it” and since the other person climaxed against their will through stimulation, not pleasure; the term was written by men for men in a man’s world that only they created languages - which weren’t inclusive in much of the world - women were largely seen as a commodity and property, as a second rate citizen or below that.

i.e. the etymology of the word “man” meant “the hand which held intellect and knowledge” aka why men created the word “woman” People are often misinformed and lead to think or assume the word “wo” is derived from the word womb which it is not. The etymology of “wo” meant “wife of man” and “man” being “the hand which held intellect and knowledge“. Girls were raised to become a wife. (Girl you’ll be a woman soon)

• • read/audible The indignities of being a woman**

Thank you 🙏 Ferrari Unicorn (talk) 12:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Following Ferrari Unicorn (talk) 12:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It looks like the current prose is well sourced. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Heavy United States emphasis

The article has a heavy American emphasis. Some facts are specifically written that they apply in the United States, so there is no general information. Crucially, other facts stated as general, but actually apply to the United States. The majority of women live under rape laws that follow a coercive-model and/or always allow marital sex (see sexual consent). Following the information in the article may lead to being misled about what someone needs to do in a sexually risky situation or in seeking justice. Travelmite (talk) 00:17, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue with images on page

There are numerous issues with the graphs and plots in this article. I have mentioned one case in the "Lead image" section on this talk page. Here are some further issues:

• "Non genital injuries to women who are sexually assaulted.PNG" has no citation for where the data was sourced from; the file page simply says "own work". What populations does the data apply to; people in the USA? Worldwide? Those who live in British overseas territories? It is also not clear what time periods these statistics range over; the year 2011? The decade 1990-1999? I think this image should be removed from the article.

• "Rape perpetrator pie chart.PNG" likewise does not say what populations the statistics apply to nor which time periods the statistics range over. This image does cite a textbook (author: Gary F. Kelly), but does not cite which pages the info was taken from. This image is also used on the page Marital rape#Prevalence where the description box in the article says the data is from "a study cited by Gary F. Kelly". Is this an appropriate source for Wikipedia? If not, the image should be removed. If it is, I think the image should be removed until it can be updated with the relevant information on population and time frame.

• "Rape Rate.png" claims to take data from "UNODC : Rape Rate Per 100,000 Population (2011)", this is the extent of the reference. I am having difficulty finding the source of this data. The choice of countries to represent in the image also seems arbitrary. Unless this can be properly sourced the image should be removed.

The Elysian Vector Fields (talk) 00:23, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

After no further feedback from the community I have decided to remove the images Non genital injuries to women who are sexually assaulted and Rape perpetrator pie chart. The images were removed for the reasons listed above. I do wish to note that the "Relationship to perpetrator" image notably stated 4% of perpetrators were strangers which is inconsistent with the text of the article; under the "statistics" section it is stated that "7 out of 10 cases of sexual assault involved a perpetrator known to the victim". The Elysian Vector Fields (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Additional facets to elaborate upon

Consideration should be given to including these aspects of the topic, seemingly little or indirectly referenced, or not referenced at all:

- The ludicrous improbability that the mean figure - for reporting, given as Lithuania at 6.3/100,000/year, is other than a gross under-estimation of the true rate of occurrence, as distinct from the rate of reporting.

- The recent public discourse - in much of the West at least - of the distinction and importance of the notion of "enthusiastic", and otherwise "less than enthusiastic" consent, as it relates to consent, and consequent criminal culpability.

- The near ubiquitous poor public understanding of the topic generally. To wit, my personal experience that, when pressed, very many persons of both sexes reveal a limited and wholly inadequate, unsatisfactory and insufficient understanding of what constitutes sexual assault, and the confounding effect this has on people's perceptions and views of the issue. Namely, it's not generally understood that any conduct whatever that could be construed as of a sexual nature, that another party does not consent to, and which you nevertheless persist in, constitutes - prima facie - a sexual assault. When queried people almost invariably, and inappropriately, describe sexual assault (or rape) in specific terms, and not with a more appropriate general characterisation, as given above. 122.151.210.84 (talk) 05:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

If you believe you have verifiable sources which bear on the issue at 91), you should edit the text and include them.

The third issue is more pertinent to the separate WP article on Sexual Assault and should be raised on the talk page there. Sbishop (talk) 09:19, 9 April 2023 (UTC)