Talk:Raptor

Birds and Dinosaurs

Where are the birds and dinosaurs? Unimath (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sports usage

You should look at your own disambiguation page, and cross-check the sports entries. The Ogden Raptors are certainly and the Toronto Raptors are almost certainly named for the velociraptor.

Look at the Ogden Raptors logo. That's a dinosaur, not a bird. Read your own entry's Toronto/NBA naming history. Infer from the years those two teams were named and the year Jurassic Park came out.

Yet your Raptors page suggests both were named for the birds of prey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.175.21.210 (talk) 18:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 11 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Raptor → Raptor (disambiguation) – Raptor as a bird of prey seems to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here (and confirmed by books). Consequently, raptor should redirect to bird of prey, with a relevant hatnote, rather than to a dab page. Brandmeister^talk 15:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. The list I'm seeing on the Google Book search linked above is dinosaur, bird, dinosaur, bird, computer codes, the fighter plane, bird. That is far from proving a primary topic. Calidum 02:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. After Jurassic Park, it's birds and dinosaurs, with the NBA team coming up on the outside. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not clear there is a primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. No clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 16:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 17 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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Raptor → Raptor (disambiguation) – Raptor as bird of prey is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and I'm a little bit perturbed at the opposing reasoning on the last discussion. Hit counts do not dictate primary topics. First, dinosaurs like Velociraptor or Dakotaraptor are named for their resemblance to extant raptors -- raptor literally meaning "robber" for the way that birds of prey generally take quarry. Second, everything with the "raptor" name refers directly or indirectly (through dromaeosaurid dinosaurs) to birds of prey. The NBA team, computer code, fighter jet, et all are named as such to draw a parallel to the ferocity and power of either raptors (the birds) or raptors (the dromaeosaurs). Lastly, dromaeosaurs are only colloquially called "raptors", whereas birds of prey can be formally referred to as such. wound theology◈ 06:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as before. Nothing has changed since the previous move request. No clear primary topic. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

  Is there anything on the page listed that is not named after avian raptors or extinct raptors? If everything is named in reference to another thing, that's a pretty good indicator of what is the primary topic. wound theology◈ 07:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• It's irrelevant if something is named after something else. E.g. Washington, D.C. and Washington (state) are named after some old guy, yet Washington doesn't point to George. Also, you've undermined yourself by implicitly putting avian and extinct raptors on the same level. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

  For me they're both the same sort of raptor anyway, but that isn't relevant here...I still maintain that the birds are the main topic; especially given that 'raptor' (in regards to non-avian dinosaurs) is an informal nickname. wound theology◈ 12:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per User:Wound theology User:Clarityfiend above. No clear primary topic. Paintspot Infez (talk) 13:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

  Certainly you mean per Clarityfiend (talk · contribs)? wound theology◈ 06:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

  Ah, yup. Typo. Fixed! Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per the absence of a primary topic between the modern bird usage and the dinosaur usage. BD2412 T 01:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:NOPRIMARY. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:NOPRIMARY, and note that the non-avian dinosaurs are more of a natural clade then the modern birds of prey are, and this statement named for their resemblance to extant raptors feels very unsupported by the literature (citation that paleontologists were looking at Birds of Prey with the naming and not following normal paleontology precedent of using name bases with different prefixes/suffixes to indicate possible relatedness. Without actual citations the rest of the rational falls apart.--Kevmin § 00:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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