Talk:Raspberry/Archive 1

Archive 1

World Capital?

Does anyone know where the world capital of raspberries is?

Whatcom County, Washington State -- produces 60 million pounds per yearly harvest. See also this article[1]--Paul144 13:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Definitely Sumadija region, Serbia. It produces about 173 million pounds per yearly harvest.[2] [3] [4] [5]

There are more raspberries grown in California than anywhere else in the world if you're talking about commercial production. These other places perhaps had more natural wild raspberries..but it's easy to verify that California has ten times the production of raspberries as either of these other places. (Watsonville area--where Driscoll's the largest producer of raspberries in the world is located or the Oxnard plane which is where they grow a lot of their other berries and are now being copied by a significant amount of independent producers with inferior varieties. I know wikipedia editors don't like it but Driscoll's absolutely revolutionized the commercial production of blackberries, raspberries, strawberries and blueberries and is the largest producer of all of them.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.157.193 (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

World capital of raspberries is Arilje, Serbia. Annual raspberry production in Arilje has one of the largest yields per hectar in the world, up to 30 tons. Region produces more raspberries than all US states combined. Majority of it is exported into Germany and other EU Countries and Russia and Ukraine. [6][7]

Gross Raspberry Bug

There is an insect that lives on raspberries that has a very distinct smell and flavour. I can't find any information about it anywhere. Any help? Shmooisalcap (talk) 07:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Does it have an armored back that looks like a shield? -- Stink bug. If you're in Florida they have chiggers but you can barely see those and I don't think they smell.

Picture Overkill

Umm.. most of the pics are redundant, of poor quality, or not particularly helpful or unique. I mean, do we really need a picture of raspberries, and then a picture of a wasp and raspberries? 76.22.201.109 06:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

More Raspberries

Not to blow raspberries at the existing definition, but could someone add more information about the source the comedic act of blowing raspberries. Saw something on google about a W.C. Fields movie reference to a Raspberry cart's tire loosing air and making the noise. Mat

Check the disambiguation page for more info. Shmooisalcap (talk) 07:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Nutritional Chart

I can't find a nutritional chart any where on the web about Raspberries not even on this </http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/> website. I think every page on a certain food should have a nutritional chart like the wolfberry page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.59.249 (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

I'm sure it has some unique health benefits that could me mentioned. cyclosarin 03:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Here is an article about red raspberry nutrition and antioxidants[8] and the in-depth nutrient chart for red raspberries from World's Healthiest Foods, a great site with an informative article on raspberries, see links [9]--Paul144 13:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about the nutritional chart that shows in 123 grams of raspberries there are 64 kcal. Based off of a quick use of google calculator that would indicate there are 64,000 calories in 123 grams of raspberries, which is a bit over 4 ounces. 32 times an average daily intake of 2000 calories seems a bit off. Am I reading the chart wrong or is my understanding of the numbers incorrect? Zharmad (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The calories typically discussed in nutritional contexts are actually kcals. 128.187.198.199 (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Raspberry Nutritional Content

The current nutritional facts on the page for raspberries is incorrect. The amount of iron in raspberries is much less than what the page indicates. If you go to the USDA nutritional site where information supposedly came from, 100 grams of raspberries only yields .69 mg of iron, and the recommended daily intake for an adult is 18 mg. Thus, raspberries won't yield 40% dv of iron as the wikipedia page claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.236.37 (talk) 14:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

In season?

When are raspberries traditionally in season? "Early season" is rather vague. --Eptin (talk) 07:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Raspberries are traditionally in season late spring through early summer (late June through late July/early August). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.157.193 (talk) 15:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Argentina, Brazil and Chile

This fruit is also planted in Argentina, Brazil and Chile. In Brazil this is a rare plant, but in Chile , there's exportation of this fruit.Agre22 (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal, merger with species Rubus idaeus

Oppose. The first sentence of this page explains the reason perfectly "The raspberry is the edible fruit of a multitude of plant species in the genus Rubus, most of which are in the subgenus Idaeobatus". This page corresponds more-or-less to the subgenus Idaeobatus, and absolutely not to the single species Rubus idaeus. Nadiatalent (talk) 13:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Language links

If you look at the German article it has a lot more language links: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himbeere

I was merging the list when I noticed that none of the languages match (the list on en vs de). Can someone tell me why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micklweiss (talk • contribs) 15:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The English wikipedia has two pages, one called Rubus idaeus, and this one called Raspberry, which is about the many different species that share that common name in English. Several of the pages in other languages with names that might match Raspberry are actually only about Rubus idaeus, so links to them from this page have been removed. (I don't know enough about usage of common names in those other languages to know whether there is an equivalent to the English "raspberry".)Nadiatalent (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Is this an unusual variety?

We got some planting stocks from a very old person in our church about 20 years ago. They are very vigorous and cover about 30 ft square. The unusual thing is that they have berries for 5 months (late May to late October)in the San Francisco Bay Area. In July, August and Sept, we get a bowl (8" by 3" every 2-3 days), and June and October every 4-5 days. Most people are surprised by this. Is this unusual? Does anyone know the variety? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.78.102 (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse but it was probably someone who got their hands on Driscoll's plants...Driscoll spends more than any company in the world developing berry plants and their varieties have revolutionized commercial production because they grow outside the normal season (late spring, early summer). This actually just recently happened in the 80's and it has never been covered because journalists (ESPECIALLy the Californian stock) hate big ag companies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.157.193 (talk) 15:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It is probably some sort of primocane fruiting variety, where the first year and second year canes can both produce fruit. This gives it a longer season. If you really want to know you could take pictures of the leaves and fruits and contact a horticultural department of a university, preferably one that does research in raspberry. If they can't ID it they might be interested in growing it themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.180.85 (talk) 21:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Potential references

• Paredes-López, O. et al. ”Berries: improving human health and healthy aging, and promoting quality life – a review”, Plant Foods for Human Nutrition (2010),65(3):299-308.
• Rao, A.V. / Snyder, D.M. “Raspberries and human health: a review”, J. Agric. Food Chem (2010),58(7):3871-83. Abstract only.

--Ronz (talk) 17:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion and suggestion.

These reviews are meant for readers who would like to delve deeper into the subject. The reviews are placed in the “further reading” – section because the Wikipedia guideline for this section read: “… publications that would help interested readers learn more about the article subject. The Further reading section (…) should normally not duplicate the content of the References section” (WP:FURTHER).

The Wikipedia content guideline for “Identifying reliable sources (medicine)” (WP:MEDRS) read: “It is usually best to use reviews and meta-analyses where possible.”

The reviews in question reflect the latest research (last 10 years) in the field, they are scholarly and peer-reviewed, and they are published in academic journals. Granateple (talk) 22:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Question on Raspberries

I have raspberries in my garden... but no clue when they are ripe. They feel quite hard now, they should be soft, right? --Enjoydotcom 14:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

yes, should be soft and sweet (not tart). if they are hard they need water and probably it is too sunny.

You don't seem to know much about raspberries...being too hard means they're unwripe which, if anything to do with the sun, means they haven't got enough of it. And the way to tell if a plant needs water is if the leaves begin to shrivel...the fruit will have never been produced if the plant wasn't getting enough water.

Also this article is jumbled and uses a lot of words and doesn't get much good information across. I think it says something about our society that Britney Spears page is updated live to the minute with perfect information 24/7/365 and yet we still can't get a good raspberry page up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.157.193 (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

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If they come off the bush easily they are ripe if they are hard or impossible to take off the bush then they are not ready yet (they should leave the center stem on the bush).

Another Question

Are Raspberries a North American plant or European or Asian in origin?

The answer is roughly: Yes. There are several species which are called Raspberry and the cultivars are often hybrids of both. Rubus strigosus is a North American native plant, and Rubus idaeus is a European native plant. Quickos (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

All berries can be found throughout the Northern Hemisphere naturally and now they are grown commercially throughout the world on five continents. (U.S., Mexico, all over South America, U.K., Spain, Portugal, New Zealand, Australia, etc.--New Zealand and Australia actually supply each other at different times of the year.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.157.193 (talk) 15:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well isn't that a bit wierd? I mean, humanity originate from Rift Valley in Africa, yeat Rasberries and Blackberries seems to have just all of a sudden covered most of the northern hemisphere, doesn't make much sense to me. Even if it existed during the Gondwana super-continent, shouldn't it originate from a spesific region and im suprised there's so lite or no research/fact about this compared with other famous berries,fruits etc.

--Byzantios (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Raspberries (Rubus strigos, N. America, and Rubus idaeus, Europe) are native plants to ocean coastal regions of British Columbia and Newfoundland in Canada and the Pacific Northwest American states of Oregon and Washington around latitude 48 degrees north. They grow wild in forest borders and mountain slopes of these regions,[10] and are successfully cultivated in BC,[11][12] Oregon[13] and Washington[14] which collectively supply the majority of US and Canadian markets for raspberries, with Oregon as the largest producer.[15] --Zefr (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

To confuse matters, R. strigosus is sometimes called a subspecies of R. idaeus, i.e., R. idaeus subsp. strigosus. Ocotea (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete model

Model of a section of a raspberry, Botanical Museum Greifswald

This model is so strange that I've removed the photo of it from the page. It seems to suggest that by the time the fruit ripens the calyx has become quite fleshy. It also shows very long stigmas for Rubus idaeus (which the label says the model represents). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Blue raspberry

I'm not sure about blue raspberry being R. leucodermis. If blue raspberries were cultivated shortly after the American Revolution, they were probably R. occidentalis; R. leucodermis grows further west than R. occidentalis (in spite of the species name), and wouldn't have been available for cultivation in the late 18th century. R. occidentalis remains the more widely cultivated of the two species today (with major production centers in areas where R. leucodermis is native). Both species share common names "black raspberry" and "blackcap (raspberry)". Presumably "blue raspberry" may also refer to both species. Plantdrew (talk) 18:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that is a problem. A web search yields several statements that the blue raspberry is R. leucodermis, but nothing that would qualify as a citable source. Google scholar yields nothing. I'm equally unconvinced that these raspberries were cultivated shortly after the American Revolution, and haven't been able to track down with "Columbia" or "Columbian" really means that looks like a cultivar name. The citation that I removed because it was an advertisement for jam, used "Columbian" as if it were a cultivar name. I thought about deleting the material entirely, but suspect that it would be re-added because it seems clear that in Prince Edward County it is considered notable.

I wonder if the "blue" actually refers to the stem, which is very notably glaucous on R. leucodermis, as the Latin name reflects. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort you guys are putting into this clarification and I suppose that I should have some information to share on this topic but I know nothing about it and I feel a little ashamed. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about that. This sort of question is unfortunately common with the plants that people eat, although the lack of information about this one is greater than usual. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I've spent a little bit of time looking for plants for sale, and trying to associate species with cultivars of black/purple raspberry, and I'm more firmly convinced that R. leucodermis is rarely cultivated at best (not that R. occidentalis is very commonly cultivated either, but of the two species it seems the far more likely candidate (searches for the actual term in question, "blue raspberry" aren't very helpful as this name is infrequently used). It seems odd to me that United Empire Loyalists would take name something Columbia, which suggests to me that the cultivar might predate the Revolution (though this is entirely speculation on my part). Plantdrew (talk) 22:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

There are apparently pick-your-own blue raspberry farms in Prince Edward County, but the season is past. If only wikipedia could offer to pay a botanist to travel up there and identify what is growing (how many raspberries does one need to eat to be sure of what species they are?) I tried online to find a nursery offering plants or anyone offering frozen fruit for sale, but haven't found either. R. occidentalis turns up here in frozen fruit mixtures (with marionberries, blackberries, and red raspberries), presumably cultivated somewhere in western North America. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC).

I will be in Prince Edward County next summer during the height of the blue raspberry season. When I get some pictures, I will post on Wikipedia, and the botanists, can figure out how we ended up with true blue raspberries. I just took them for granted when I was a kid, little did I know that they were a very localized and rare fruit. The Columbia cultivar may be in reference to a New York County. There is a United Empire Loyalist Museum and Research Library in Adolphustown (near Prince Edward Country), that may shed some light on the Empire loyalists agricultural heritage.

Photos would be helpful. The genus Rubus, however, is extremely difficult to identify to the species level, and if the cultivar is somewhat different from its wild ancestors, that difficulty would be even greater. Close-up photos of as many parts of the plant as possible are needed, and it can sometimes be helpful to look at the leaves on both the fruiting canes and the new canes (that will fruit the following year), because the leaves can be different in the two years. It might not be possible to determine without DNA sequencing which species this cultivar belongs to, and it might be derived from a hybrid. Perhaps, if enough citations can be found that give solid statements about it (e.g., no advertising or blogs), these blue raspberries might warrant their own page, possibly including citations (if they exist) that say what species it is or that the species affinity is unknown. About the cultivar name, yes indeed, county names seem to show up often in fruit-cultivar names and might not represent the original source, as has happened, for example with the Tompkins King (apple). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:59, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The New York suggestion is amazing! There is a wonderful series of books about the fruits of New York: The Apples of New York, The Plums of New York, ... The relevant one here is The Small Fruits of New York where on page 96 (BHL's page index says page 98) the 'Columbian' cultivar of hybrid raspberry is described in great detail, and there's a photo on the following page. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

From your source the Hybrid was created in the 1890's, way pass the time for the Empire Loyalists coming to Canada. The question is, are the blue raspberries growing in the county, actually Columbian, or did the county growers get their history mixed up. I realize the berry has to be a purple hybrid (unless it is a rare mutation), however the berry may fall on that borderline where the play of light, can not make you decide if the berry is purplish-blue or blueish-purple. Even blueberries are blue on the vine, but purple on the plate (as they get oxidized). At least I now have a colour sketch for the what the plants and berries should look like for the Columbian Cultivar (thanks to Sminthopsis84 for the reference). It will be an interesting and yummy research project next summer, when I vacation in the county.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.44.18 (talk) 13:59, October 6, 2013‎ (UTC)

Problem with iw links...

Hello all, I think we have a problem with interwiki links. This article is about the garden plant, and the plant people buy in shops. It should therefore link to de:Himbeere, but that page links to Rubus idaeus (the "European raspberry"?).

I am not a biologist, but I think we should really make a differeence between a "raspberry", and one of the several 'varieties' there are. My idea:

• An article about "raspberry" (this one) - the general term.This article should link the "most common" species/cultivar (if it doesn't already).
• Several articles about raspberry species ("R. iudaus is a kind of raspberry (with link) that mainly occurs in Europe (etc)"

What do other people think? --Eptalon (talk) 18:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

That seems a bit over the top. Instead, put it all in this one article and improve the links being made. Varybit (talk) 17:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Jam

The only time jam is mentioned is in relation to one specific variety. I have made jam from at least two other varieties and I am sure that any Raspberry could make good jam. Is it OK to amend this article accordingly? Varybit (talk) 17:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Please don't make edits based on your own experience, as this is WP:OR. If there is a WP:SECONDARY source discussing jams from different berry varieties, then that would be usable, although "jam-making" falls into the "not" category for Wikipedia, WP:NOTRECIPE. --Zefr (talk) 17:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Varybit, Be bold :) but you may want to find sources that support what you want to write. Here are a couple that might help.

• Source 1
• Source 2
• Other sources at Google books.

Hopefully this is helpful to you.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand. Why is it OK to keep a completely unsourced comment that Black Raspberries can be made into jam, but not OK to change that comment to include all raspberries. Is anyone contending that amending the comment on jam to include all raspberries would make the page more accurate? I am trying to wrap my head around all the confusing (and often conflicting) rules being thrown around on Wikipedia. Why is it so hard just to improve articles and help readers to get accurate information? Varybit (talk) 12:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)