Talk:Rattlesnake Creek (Bronx)

Cats?

@Epicgenius: I'm curious why you added both Category:Rivers of New York (state) and Category:Rivers of the Bronx. Isn't the former a supercat of the later? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

RoySmith, yes, but this was also done in Sunswick Creek and Kissena Creek (another underground creek that I added info about). Category:Rivers of New York (state) is a non-diffusing category, so all members of subcategories are also included. epicgenius (talk) 15:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Epicgenius, Hmmm. As a software guy, I find the whole concept of non-diffusing categories to be mind-boggling. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

RoySmith, me too. Apparently this is for convenience. epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK?

At this point, you've written more of this than I have, so you deserve the credit, but I'm thinking, "... that Rattlesnake Creek runs underneath The Bronx" -- RoySmith (talk) 19:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

RoySmith, yeah, I was thinking of a DYK co-nomination too. But I was thinking that we should do a combined nomination with Seton Falls Park. I'm not done expanding either article, and probably will have to add more tomorrow. epicgenius (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Epicgenius, Sounds like a plan. I kept the others (including Givans Creek Woods) in my userspace to stop the DYK clock, but it's ticking on this one.

Would "...that Seton Falls Park is where the bodies are buried" be too bizarre? Actually, I'm not sure I want to go there, because I think we should accentuate the positive aspects, but it is kind of hookey :-)

-- RoySmith (talk) 19:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

RoySmith, no worries. We have a week to nominate this page, since my additions are technically expanded five times from your creation. I'm finding more and more interesting things in my research, but I have to pause this for the rest of the day. I think "that Seton Falls Park is where the bodies are buried" is quite strange and might not be approved, since the article only mentions a couple of body dumpings. I'll think of some better alternate hooks. epicgenius (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:29, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Rattlesnake Creek (Bronx)
• Seton Falls Park

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• ... that a waterfall along Rattlesnake Creek in Seton Falls Park was created as part of the country estate of the Seton family in what is now New York City? Source: Loeb, Robert E. (1989). "The Ecological History of an Urban Park". Forest & Conservation History. Oxford University Press (OUP). 33 (3): 138.
  • ALT1:... that the only remaining above-ground section of New York City's Rattlesnake Creek is in Seton Falls Park, where a man-made waterfall is a remnant of a former mill? Source: Kadinsky, Sergey (2016). Hidden Waters of New York City: A History and Guide to 101 Forgotten Lakes, Ponds, Creeks, and Streams in the Five Boroughs. Countryman Press. p. 72.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Crawfish Spring, Template:Did you know nominations/Jaffna Lagoon
• Comment: I have to think of other hooks later. If a combined hook is not satisfactory, I can propose separate hooks for both articles. epicgenius (talk) 19:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Created by RoySmith (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 19:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC).

• "Rattlesnake Creek was named after the abundant rattlesnakes that" should be reworded. QPQs not done. ALT0 isn't that interesting, ALT1 is better but perhaps should say "only remaining above-ground" section. CMD (talk) 10:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Chipmunkdavis: Thanks, I have done a QPQ now. Do you have any suggestions on rewording the sentence? epicgenius (talk) 13:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

"There was once a large rattlesnake population in the area [or in the northeast Bronx], after which the creek was named." would fit in the current paragraph structure. CMD (talk) 14:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Chipmunkdavis: Thanks, done. epicgenius (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

ALT1, as the more interesting hook. CMD (talk) 17:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but I find the hook wording confusing with "remaining" and "remnant" in the same sentence; not sure which is a remnant of which. Perhaps splitting it into two hooks would yield better hook wording. Yoninah (talk) 15:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: How about this? If it doesn't work, I can propose two separate hooks, one for each article (the R- and S-numbered hooks). epicgenius (talk) 16:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that the only remaining above-ground section of New York City's Rattlesnake Creek is in Seton Falls Park, where a man-made waterfall is a vestige of a former mill?
  • ALTR1:... that New York City's Rattlesnake Creek flowed past a country estate, a beer garden, and an amusement park?
  • ALTR2:... that New York City's Rattlesnake Creek was named after the rattlesnakes that once populated the Bronx? - promoted SL93 (talk) 03:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • ALTS1:... that Seton Falls Park went from being one of New York City's best parks to one of its worst in two years?
  • ALTS2:... that Seton Falls Park was used unofficially as a New York City park since the early 20th century, but did not officially become parkland until 1930?

• @Epicgenius: I think your single-article hooks are going to fare better on the main page than the double ones. ALTR2 sounds scary enough and ALTS1 is also hooky. Both hooks are verified and cited inline. Rest of review per CMD. Good to go on separate days.
• Note to promoter: Please keep this template open until both hooks are promoted. Thank you. Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

• ALTR2 has been promoted. Here is the approval tick for ALTS1. Yoninah (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Categories

@Peter James I'm not sure we need Category:Rivers of New York (state) since Category:Rivers of the Bronx includes that. RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The template on Category:Rivers of New York (state) says it's a non-diffused category. I don't know if it was intended to be (as there is no option in Template:Geography parent category for when some should be moved to subcategories and others should not, only "type=empty" if articles are expected to be in subcategories) but most are already in the state category. Peter James (talk) 17:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the whole idea of non-diffused categories is silly, but thanks for the explanation. RoySmith (talk) 17:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Heh, apparently I've had this conversation before. See #Cats? :-) RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)