Talk:RawTherapee

Removal of operating systems

I added two operating operating systems on which this program runs (and sources for this information). My edit was then undone. The message when undoing my changes simply states that they are being removed, but there is no REASON for this removal. When undoing edits, please include a valid reason to do so. I'm re-applying my original edition until someone provides a valid reason for reverting them. HuGo_87 (talk) 10:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

A clear reason for undoing your changes was provided, you can find the description of an edit behind the edit in the page history and in the notification you receive when the edit is undone. Nonetheless, the reason your edit was undone is because FreeBSD and OpenBSD are not supported by RawTherapee. As far as I can see, the sources you provide link to third parties that have ported the software to those platforms, unofficial third party ports don't make it a supported platform. Listing unofficial ports can be done in the body of the article, but the info card is for showing basic properties of the subject - in this case the software - as-is, and not for any third party community initiatives. YannickFran (talk) 10:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The statement because FreeBSD and OpenBSD are not supported by RawTherapee is entirely incorrect; my edit included references to the port definitions for RawTherapee on those platforms. If you have further references that indicates that this software is not supported on these platforms, please provide them. I don't see a reason to omit these operating systems merely because a third party maintains those ports. In fact, almost all BSD ports are maintained by a third party, and there are plenty of infoboxes which list these as supported. I see that you have once again removed by edits before attempting to discuss your opinion on them; if you feel that additional information is required, you are free to add it. Please refrain from further un-constructive reversals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhyNotHugo (talk • contribs) 11:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Your edit includes sources that specifically show that RawTherapee isn't supported on FreeBSD and OpenBSD (which is why a port was needed in the first place). Unofficial ports are not supported versions of a product. The fact that you had to include sources other than the already provided downloads page (or any source that would have official endorsement) is proof of the incorrect usage of that field. Other pages making this error doesn't mean it should be done here (e.g.: neither do we ever list Linux as a supported OS for any Windows app that runs on it through Proton, despite Firefox having been ported to pretty much any OS you can think of it does not list unofficial ports (in fact, there are a bunch of discussions in that article's archives specifically about making this point), neither does VLC media player, etc.). The fact that it is not supported is further exemplified by the fact that the official documentation doesn't mention either OSes even once while Windows, Linus and macOS are, their entire website and forum do not mention OpenBSD and FreeBSD once, which also happens to indicate that these are not even endorsed (unlike what you'll often see with open source projects).

Again, including a passage noting that there are unofficial ports in the body of the article is fine, but these ports are not to be included in the information overview of the software that is about the official software. Frankly irrelevant given that its inclusion should be omitted anyways, but also note that Template:Infobox software specifically calls to not include multiple BSD variants (or variants of any OS) and to simply shorten it to BSD. Also, note that per Wikipedia policy, you are the one adding something that is under dispute. It's your edit that must be discussed, not my edit reversing yours. Furthermore, calling any edit you disagree with "un-constructive" really doesn't help any discussion (especially one that you started with just ignoring the reason your edit was undone in the first place). --YannickFran (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The description for the operating system field in operating system Template:Infobox software says The operating system on which the given software works. Whether anyone is offering support (either free or paid) doesn't change the fact that the software works on these platforms, and RawTherapee works on both of these operating systems. You mention that these operating systems are not "endorsed" by the developers and maintainers of RawTherapee. You are free to include this information in the article if there is a clear source for that. The fact that the current maintainers do not endorse these operating systems also does not change the fact that the software works on these operating systems. HuGo_87 (talk) 07:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

You are again proving yourself wrong: the given software as provided by RawTherapee does not work on OpenBSD and FreeBSD, does it (as a matter of fact, the first source in the operating systems field points that out very explicitly)? It is not up to me to proof a negative, you have yet to include a source that shows RawTherapee actually runs as provided by its developer on either operating systems. I also cannot help but notice how you are just repeating your previous arguments and are not engaging with the counterpoints provided showing that we very explicitly don't include third party versions of software in the list of supported operating systems. Note that not a single other parameter of this infobox invites inclusion of third parties either. We don't list third party unofficial developers, we don't list third party unofficial websites, we don't list third party unofficial licenses, we don't list anything that doesn't apply to the official software itself. Further note that the software infobox documentation also notes to ignore any platform support that may result from the release of OS-agnostic source code (and that's still very much talking about first parties). YannickFran (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)