Talk:Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow

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"Despite claims that Raymond Chow is no longer involved in criminal activity, many police officers believe that he is still in fact a leading member of the Triad in San Francisco though they have no evidence of any illegal activity. "

"There are many documentaries featuring Raymond Shrimp Boy Chow including: Gangland "Deadly Triangle" on History Channel, "Chinatown Mafia" on National Geographic and a special on Channel 5: 30 Minute Bay Area "The Man in White". He has been selected on Gangland's Most Notorious as the 2010 Most Notorious OG as narrated by rappers Snoop Dogg and Ice T. As well as a Channel 7 exclusive interview with Alan Wang "Bay Area Gangster turns Celebrity".

Raymond Chow has finished his unpublished memoirs and currently talking to many producers and publishers about his upcoming book and movie project.

He has been doing many public speeches for at risk youth as well as speaking to business professionals on crime prevention. Recently having spoken at the Moscone Center San Francisco to the Leadership Group as invited by Lieutenant Steven Ford and on the same panel as Officer Stewart Ng. He spends much of his time telling the youth to continue with their education as he only has a 3rd grade education and can not read or write English. He encourages them to not waste their lives on gangs, violence and drugs. Through his life experiences he hopes to influence the youth to stay on a positive track with their lives."

I removed from article. find sources, put it back in.50.193.19.66 (talk) 16:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Language?

This article might do well with some language clean-up, as there are phrases such as 'ex con with firearm' and 'turned snitch', which sounds more like a late-night action movie than an encyclopedia. As there is a link between this page and that of Leland Yee, it might be that it will see greater traffic, too, increasing the need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.59.62 (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. Though there was some disagreement over the appropriate new title, all were agreed that the page should move. DrKiernan (talk) 11:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Raymond Chow Kwok-cheung → Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow – Despite WP:TITLEFORMAT discouraging quotation marks, the proposed name is commonly used. I wouldn't dream of making Raymond Shrimp Boy Chow the title; it looks awkward without punctuations. Umm... don't dream of making this person the primary subject of "Raymond Chow"; there is another Raymond Chow, the Hong Kong producer/filmmaker. This person is deservingly disambiguated, so either natural or parenthetical disambiguation from WP:AT#Disambiguation should be followed. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 17:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose if you want to use "Shrimp Boy" the destination should be Shrimp Boy. Otherwise keep it the way it is. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

@70.51.200.101: The point here is the commonality of the current and the proposed title. So far, you opposed it just because you don't like it. See Talk:Ed "Too Tall" Jones and Talk:Robert John "Mutt" Lange. --George Ho (talk) 06:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

• Move to Shrimp Boy - per WP:COMMONNAME. Plus, the only other Shrimp Boy article on here is a redirect to him. Wikimandia (talk) 13:28, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

@Wikimandia: Many sources also use "Raymond Chow". Didn't you know that? --George Ho (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but he's not the primary subject of Raymond Chow, so that is not an option, as mentioned. He is also referred to as Shrimp Boy in headlines of articles of prominent media, so it's not impossible to call him that instead of Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow. Wikimandia (talk) 15:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow: LA Daily News, CBS SF, SF Gate, News.com.au. These sources refer to him as "Chow" also. LA Times uses "Raymond Chow" and "Shrimp boy", but it also refers him as "Chow". --George Ho (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

• Move to Raymond Chow (triad). The commonname of the subject from the reliable sources that I have found is Raymond Chow. Therefore what should occur is that the article Raymond Chow should be moved to Raymond Chow (actor) and this article moved as I suggested above, and a disambiguation page be created.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

What's happening to literacy nowadays, including yours, User:RightCowLeftCoast? The other Raymond Chow was not an actor but a filmmaker or producer. --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, why not Raymond Chow (criminal)? --George Ho (talk) 04:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

• Support. The proposed title is reasonable, natural-sounding, used by many sources (see George Ho's next-to last comment), and makes a natural disambiguation. Why don't we opt for that option, then, and instead try to dance around naming conventions? They're just conventions and guidelines, not hard rules. No such user (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Consistent with sources and common use. Blackguard 20:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 57 09:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow → Shrimp Boy – or Raymond Chow (organized crime) – but not a combination of the two, look at any organized crime figure, all have nicknames but we don't add them in quotations on the middle of their name. We don't have Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano or Angelo "Quack Quack" Ruggiero. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). It is the Wikipedia style to not embed nicknames, despite how others use it. The rule reads "Notable distinctions can be explained in the article, but avoid (for example) adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original first name(s) in quotes between first and last name. For example: Bill Clinton, not William "Bill" Clinton." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. Wikipedia naming guidelines appear ambiguous in the case where a person is actually known by a full name containing a quoted nickname - see the point about Ed "Too Tall" Jones already brought up above (and Gravano ought to be at Sammy "The Bull" Gravano rather than the currently used title as well). In this case, the original article title of "Raymond Chow Kwok-cheung" is not how the subject is known in English, "Raymond Chow" is ambiguous, and "Shrimp Boy " alone doesn't match how he is named in the media. The current title is superior to all of them. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 03:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
• Move to Raymond Chow (criminal) per WP:NICKNAME, as with other criminals like Clem Grogan, Tex Watson, Lynette Fromme, Whitey Bulger, Stephen Flemmi, James McLean (mobster), Howie Winter, Sammy Gravano, etc. This is not a universally recognized stage name usage like Ed "Too Tall" Jones, Lee "Scratch" Perry, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Evelyn "Champagne" King, Clarence "Frogman" Henry, Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown or Donald "Duck" Dunn. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - Even parenthetical disambiguation doesn't help either. Sources still frequently use his first and last names. By the way, I did propose the title, which is the current title. George Ho (talk) 06:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose as per George Ho. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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References : www.sfgate.com/crime/article

• 1998
  • Epstein, Edward (July 10, 1998). "Tenderloin Massage Parlors Face Test / S.F. panel wants ban on new permits". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Epstein, Edward; Johnson, Jason B. (August 4, 1998). "S.F. Board Argues Over Projects' Race Tensions / Yee urges fresh audit of public housing". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Van Derbeken, Jaxon (June 5, 2002). "S.F. police pledge reforms / Violent crimes will be followed up". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
• 2010
  • Egelko, Bob (May 25, 2010). "Man loses appeal in Lafayette killing as teen". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Lagos, Marissa (August 18, 2010). "Bill would let juvenile criminals seek leniency". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
• 2012
  • Lagos, Marissa (August 16, 2012). "Bill offers juvenile lifers 2nd chance". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Buchanan, Wyatt (December 18, 2012). "Gun-control laws may tighten in California". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Egelko, Bob (December 25, 2012). "Tough gun laws linked to fewer deaths". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
• 2013
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  • Lee, Henry K. (March 13, 2013). "Alleged threat against Yee detailed". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 17, 2013). "Youths sentenced as adults can get parole hearing". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
  • Lee, Henry K. (October 28, 2013). "Guilty plea in threat against Leland Yee". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017. No mention of Chow.
• 2014
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  • Egelko, Bob (April 7, 2014). "Calif. state Sen. Yee: Tony Serra joins 'Shrimp Boy' defense". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (April 8, 2014). "FBI entrapped Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow, lawyer says". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (April 10, 2014). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow's lawyer sheds light on defense". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Coté, John (April 12, 2014). "The enigma of Raymond Chow, self-proclaimed ex-gangster". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (April 15, 2014). "In Calif. Sen. Yee case, Chow and others plead not guilty". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (April 21, 2014). "Leland Yee investigation: No bail for Brandon Jackson". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (June 11, 2014). "Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow denied bail by S.F. judge". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (July 25, 2014). "Racketeering charges filed against Leland Yee, Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Alexander, Kurtis (July 30, 2014). "'Shrimp Boy' pleads not guilty to racketeering". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K.; Aleaziz, Hamed (July 31, 2014). "Leland Yee pleads not guilty in corruption case". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (August 5, 2015). "Lawyers for 'Shrimp Boy' violated court order, prosecutors say". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • "Leland Yee, co-defendants, make court appearance". sfgate.com. August 7, 2014. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Ho, Vivian (August 7, 2014). "Was scientist's dog poisoned by pot growers to silence him?". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Alexander, Kurtis (August 7, 2014). "Bow hunter charged in devastating Yosemite Rim Fire". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
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  • Gutierrez, Melody; Wildermuth, John (August 22, 2014). "State Sen. Ben Hueso arrested on suspicion of DUI". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K.; Aleaziz, Hamid (August 27, 2014). "Wilson Lim, Daly City dentist charged in Leland Yee case, dies". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K. (August 27, 2014). "Fairfield football coach accused of embezzling". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K. (September 11, 2014). "Charge: Ex-school official steered $40K to himself". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 11, 2014). "Leland Yee co-defendant trying to shift blame, prosecutors say". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Ho, Vivian (September 12, 2014). "Sen. Rod Wright gets jail time for lying about his legal address". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K. (September 12, 2014). "Woman found killed in San Jose". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 1, 2014). "Court rebuffs Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow's appeal on gag order". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
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• 2015
  • Egelko, Bob (February 5, 2015). "Ex-Sen. Leland Yee pleads not guilty to expanded charges". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (February 12, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow pleads not guilty again". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (March 6, 2015). "A delay in former state Sen. Leland Yee's corruption trial". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob; Sernoffsky, Evan (July 1, 2015). "Former state Sen. Leland Yee pleads guilty in corruption case". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (July 7, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow won't take plea deal, his lawyer says". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Lee, Henry K. (August 6, 2015). "Veteran prosecutor put on leave in 'Shrimp Boy' attorneys' claims". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (August 27, 2015). "Judge won't clear 'Shrimp Boy,' says Mayor Lee not implicated". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 8, 2015). "Yee case defense wants undercover FBI agent's name revealed". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 9, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow co-defendants unexpectedly plead guilty". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 15, 2015). "Trial set for 'Shrimp Boy' Chow on racketeering charges". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (September 28, 2015). "Prosecutors say they can link 'Shrimp Boy' Chow to 2006 murder". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (October 13, 2015). "Prosecutor: 'Shrimp Boy' Chow to face murder solicitation charges". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (October 15, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow to be tried separately for murder count". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (October 16, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow charged in killing of Chinatown rivals". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (October 26, 2015). "Murder charge added to 'Shrimp Boy' Chow's S.F. racketeering trial". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 8, 2015). "All eyes on 'Shrimp Boy' Chow trial as it starts in federal court". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 9, 2015). "'Shrimp Boy' depicted as ruthless killer, wise leader as trial opens". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 12, 2015). "Prosecution witness implicates 'Shrimp Boy' Chow in 2nd slaying". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 17, 2015). "Undercover agent testifies Chow took money to carry out crimes". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 20, 2015). "FBI agent paints Chow as underworld boss in testimony". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (November 23, 2015). "Chow's lawyer tries to discredit key prosecution witness". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (December 1, 2015). "Leno seeks to limit solitary confinement for juvenile offenders". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (December 22, 2015). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow says he took money, but not for crimes". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (December 23, 2015). "Prosecutor tries to use Chow's memoir against him". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (December 29, 2015). "'Shrimp Boy' attorneys lose bid to unmask undercover agents". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
• 2016
  • Rubenstein, Steve (January 4, 2016). "Lawyers present 2 sides of Chow as trial near end". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (January 5, 2016). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow case now in the hands of the jury". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob; Rubenstein, Steve (January 8, 2016). "Raymond 'Shrimp Boy' Chow found guilty". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Ho, Vivian; Egelko, Bob; Green, Emily (January 22, 2016). "S.F. D.A. charges former city official, staffer with bribery". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (January 25, 2016). "Former S.F. officials charged in bribery case turn themselves in". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (January 29, 2016). "S.F. prosecutor moves to keep evidence secret in bribery case". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (February 17, 2016). "Prosecutors to seek 8-year prison term for ex-Sen. Leland Yee". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
  • Egelko, Bob (February 18, 2016). "Prosecutors seek 10 years for ex-S.F. school board president". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
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  • Swan, Rachel (February 24, 2016). "4 Oakland police officers placed on leave after alleged assault". sfgate.com. Retrieved January 27, 2017.
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Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 23:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I have stared with some dismay at the block of references linked above for a few years now. I have started to add author and date, and arrange them in chronological order so they become more useful for insertion into the article. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Jim Tat Kong & Cindy Bao Feng Chen

Gray Toyota minivan was parked on the 31000 block of Highway 20, near gate leading to the "bark dump" according to contemporary coverage. Approximate location is 39.414904°N 123.767138°W / 39.414904; -123.767138. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)