Talk:Real Irish Republican Army/Archive 3

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The realistic numbers of the RIRA.....

The RIRA easily at least consists of 200 members and thats only active, with another few in prison. When i saw 150 i sort of chuckled. There support base is much much bigger and growing each day. 150 is just an unrealistic estimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irish Republican rpt (talk • contribs) 20:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Again, get an up-to-date source and change it. Personal speculation is not encyclopaedic.GiollaUidir (talk) 11:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. Nimloth250 (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)Nimloth250

Chronology of RIRA actions

Should a separate article be made for this as the subsequent activities part is becoming very cluttered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.16.37 (talk) 18:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Well done on rearranging the incidents section. --Baldeadly (talk) 13:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we need a separate article entitled Chronology of Real IRA actions. This article is becoming too cluttered. Such chronologies have already been made for Provisional IRA and Continuity IRA actions. ~Asarlaí 15:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes to number of members and 'New Year statement'

Anon, if you can demonstrate sources for your recent additions, include them, otherwise they can't go in per WP:V. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 00:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Michael McKevitt

Michael McKevitt says Michael McKevitt was expelled from this organization but this article lists him as part of the leadership. Am I missing something here? EconomicsGuy (talk) 10:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Speculation removed

[1], [2] and [3] make no mention of the Real IRA being involved (at the time of posting, they may update), it is speculation by editors to include this latest shooting until sources say who is suspected of involvement. O Fenian (talk) 23:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This source was added, but is nothing to do with the latest shooting. O Fenian (talk) 00:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It would, of course, be an amazing coincidence if the events were not linked, although given that the RIRA took around 24 hours to claim responsibility for Saturday's attack, it clearly is too early to call on last night's. Nick Cooper (talk) 08:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

[4], [5] and [6] show why it is best to wait rather than rush in and assume.. O Fenian (talk) 11:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

So it is an "amazing coincidence," then, assuming it's not just the CIRA having been spurred into action by RIRA's own operation. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Amended the duplicate third link.. O Fenian (talk) 11:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

This used to be a good article

First off, no split of this article needs to take place. The mention of incidents in this article is generally in summary style, which means that if Chronology of Real IRA actions is created then that article can cover each incident in more detail. Splitting all the information out of this article would only butcher this article, which is not too big according to WP:SIZE I have made various changes to bring this article up somewhere close to GA class again, some of them are below:

• This source added to the infobox by Superfopp does not say the RIRA have 300 members. Sadly this sloppy and incorrect sourcing has become endemic with this article
• 32CSM. The only people who believe the 32CSM are not the political wing of the RIRA are members/supporters and is a fringe view. To claim they are "alleged" or "sometimes described" as the RIRA's political wing is including this fringe view, which is a gross violation of NPOV.
• "On the 26 May 2008 the RIRA left an incendiary device in JJB Sports in Belfast. The device partially exploded during the night causing some damage to the store. There were no injuries. " Removed completely. The first source makes no mention of the Real IRA, and the second source is referring to 2006, not 2008!
• "On the 25th of September 2008 an alleged drug dealer was shot in the neck in Donegal, near the Derry border. A number of newspapers state that the RIRA were behind the attack. " There is nothing in the article that says he was a drug dealer, alleged or otherwise. Reworded, and included details of the second attack on the man.
• "On the 19th of December a Real IRA unit carried out a rocket attack against a PSNI patrol in Newtownbutler, Co. Fermanagh. The device missed the police patrol and was later discovered on waste ground. There were no injuries. There were also reports of heavily armed masked men patrolling the village prior to the attack. " Really? The PSNI and Newsletter beg to differ. I can find no trace of this alleged story on the Irish News site either. I take a dim view of including incidents that the RIRA claim to have carried out but there is no evidence of, so I have removed it. If anyone wants to put it back with a neutral, accurate version of events, that's up to you.
• "The RIRA claimed responsibility for leaving a small bomb in Newry town centre which detonated as a nearby British Army Memorial Service was taking place. The RIRA claimed the bomb was not intended to cause injury but disruption and that it was a "response to a campaign by the British colonial police to disrupt republican commemorations and harass those in attandance. Until the Crown forces cease preventing republicans from honouring Ireland's dead and until our POWs are no longer placed in punishment blocks for wearing republican symbols at Easter, we reserve the right to carry out such attacks in the future" " Blogs are not reliable sources, removed.
• "On the 23 August 2007 the RIRA claimed responsibility for a double bomb attack in Newry. A booby trapped anti personnel device exploded during a security operation in the Upper Fathom Road area of the town. There were no injuries but the Real IRA said "only they [The PSNI]] know how lucky they were". " The only reliable source (which needed a www in the link to make it work makes no mention of the Real IRA. Blogs are not reliable sources, removed.
• "In March 2002 an ex-soldier of the Royal Irish Regiment was targeted by an alleged RIRA bomb, that, however, failed to explode in Sion Mills, County Tyrone. This incident followed reports of the involvement of a unit of the Real IRA in a string of failed attacks on the security forces in Derry and at Strabane." I believe the Derry attacks are already covered in the article, and I do not like the vague information being given. Track down the original reports for these failed attacks, so they can be properly incorporated into the article.
• IMC reports section. Load of shit. We don't have a "BBC news reports" section, so why a section dedicated to what another source has said? Vague information from sources is also next to useless, if a piece of information such as the RIRA allegedly splitting into two factions causes the reader to wonder things like why are there two factions, how big is each faction, what are the objectives of each faction then the information is useless. You're presenting a factoid with no context to actually inform the reader. The grammar is bollocks, the prose is bollocks, the formatting is bollocks, please bring your editing up to a reasonable standard before damaging the hard work of others. As the information in the IMC reports generally relates to incidents that have already occurred most of the information is generally useless
• Sub-sections. Sorry, but we don't need a separate sub-section for every single attack, especially when it results in sections with one or two sentences in them. The "Subsequent activities" section could do with being split at some point in the future, but right now it is not substantially bigger than any other section.
• "Structure and status" and "Weaponry" sections. I have restored these to their original place in the article, as it makes no sense to end the article with the 2009 shootings. Many similar articles are structured in similar ways. I should also note that if you move sections you should also amend links to other articles so the first occurence of a term is linked, and you should also ensure that the first use of a book cite gives full details of the book - neither of these were done.
• Infobox. I explained why the military infobox was inappropriate at the time of the GA review, I still think that holds true now.

Any objections to any of the above, please discuss them here. Thanks. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 11:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The South Armagh 32CSm blog is the official blog of their political wing in that area and it is linked and approved on their main site here so it is reliable.

The device in Newry is referenced here and here.

The double bombs in Newry are found here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.206.1.17 (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

That blog is not a reliable source of information. The two BBC articles you linked to are absolutely no use, please read before wasting editors' time. I will incorporate the Newry information from the Irish News when I have time. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 12:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Clontivrin roadblock

I can find no source other than the Impartial Reporter even reporting this incident, not even blogs or forums that routinely post such stories. The text added to the article directly contradicts the title of the alleged Impartial Reporter article, which was "Claim that Real IRA staged border roadblock" whereas this article states it happened. In the absence of other sources, and the contradictory information, I have removed this pending discussion. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 12:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• There was a big thread on IrishRepublican.net might be some links there.--Baldeadly (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

US designated terrorists

Does this really matter? The Americans have no real meaning to us here, so why has there input been added? Surely if we add theirs, we should also add Madagascar's and New Zealand's just for impartiality?--78.146.87.242 (talk) 18:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Considering there was US involvement in the peace process and the USA is the worlds only superpower (at least for now), its position on this terrorist group is noteworthy. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

But since when have the USA had any affect on our paramilitaries? Its not like they police our streets! Opinion of the gardai and the ruc is all that should be in this article seeing as the US have nothing to do with us.--89.242.111.104 (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Michael McKevitt was convicted largely on the evidence provided by FBI informant David Rupert, so I'd say the Americans certainly need to be mentioned. If they were left out of the lead it would imply that the only places the Real IRA are designated are the UK and Ireland, which would be misleading. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 13:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

EU designated terrorists

Hi,

According to the Real IRA is an EU designated terrorist organisation. Should the category "Category:European Union designated terrorist organizations" be applied? Thanks, 77.248.187.160 (talk) 11:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Since no-one opposed during the pas week, I have concluded that consenus has been reached and eformed the update. 77.248.187.160 (talk) 06:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)