Talk:Reality principle

Definition -expresses the mature mind’s ability to avoid instant gratification in favor of long-term satisfaction. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-reality-principle.htm -awareness of and adjustment to environmental demands in a manner that moderates the pleasure principle and assures ultimate satisfaction of instinctual needs. -the reality principle strives to satisfy the id's desires in realistic and socially appropriate ways. The reality principle weighs the costs and benefits of an action before deciding to act upon or abandon an impulse. http://psychology.about.com/od/rindex/g/def_realityprin.htm -one of the two principles which for Freud govern mental functioning. The reality principle is coupled with the pleasure principle, which it modifies: in so far as it succeeds in establishing its dominance as a regulatory principle, the search for satisfaction does not take the most direct routes but instead makes detours and postpones attainment of its goal according to the conditions imposed by the outside world. Viewed from the economic standpoint, the reality principle corresponds to a transformation of free energy into bound energy.https://eee.uci.edu/faculty/losh/resources/in-class/freudglossary.html -the ability to judge the situation with longer-term goals in mind and avoid the id’s constant demand for pleasure now. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-reality-principle.htm -The reality principle forces us to consider the risks, requirements and outcomes of various decisions. One way it does this is by temporarily halting the discharge of the id's energy until a suitable time and place. The ego does not strive to block the urge. Instead, it works to ensure that the id's needs are met in ways that are safe, realistic and appropriate. Delay is accomplished through secondary process http://psychology.about.com/od/rindex/g/def_realityprin.htm

  > Primary Process= Pleasure Principle
  > Example: if you are hungry, instead of grabbing a slice of pizza out of your friend's hand, the ego will force you to wait until you can go buy your own slice. 
  >Example: A person dieting chooses not to give into cravings because she knows that satisfying cravings, and thus satisfying the pleasure principle, is short-term empty satisfaction that thwarts the object of the diet. 

-Reality testing= Ego must come up with realistic plans of action that can satisfy our needs.

http://www.cla.purdue.edu/english/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/pleasureprinciple.html

History -Psychoanalytic principle developed by Sigmund Freud

  >Id=seeks instant gratification/ pleasure principle/ drives
  >Ego=deals with demands of reality/ensures that the demands of the id are satisfied in ways that are effective and appropriate. 

Therefore, the ego is ruled by the reality principle, putting it in conflict with the Id. -If the reality principle is not in place, a different dynamic develops in the self. The superego steps in, inflicting guilt because a person keeps strictly obeying the pleasure principle. The ego becomes trapped in between the “should” of the id and the “shouldn’t” of the superego, and from that standpoint, a person becomes miserable by constantly giving into immediate desires and then constantly feeling that they shouldn’t. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-reality-principle.htm

Reality Principle vs. Pleasure Principle -The ability to control impulses and delay gratification is one of the hallmarks of a mature personality. Throughout childhood, kids learn how to control their urges and behave in ways that are socially appropriate.

 >Researchers have found that children who are better at delaying gratification may have better defined egos, because they tend to be more concerned with things such as social appropriateness and responsibility.

-http://blog.lib.umn.edu/stoe0062/fall_2011%20psy%201001%20sec%2021/2011/11/ego-and-reality-principle.html

Applying the Reality Principle http://www.pep-web.org.proxy.bc.edu/document.php?id=pptx.022.0155a Dementia "In the intermediate stages reality principle versus pleasure principle issues are patent, as are shame and humiliation (particularly around sexuality)."

Critique of the Principle

Quick Summary: In this Outline we wish to dig deeper into the the reality principle by defining it further and providing examples to help the readers better understand the concept. Also by providing key examples that can relate to the principle to daily life. So far we have done research into the principle's origins, various studies it was examined in, its relationship to the pleasure principle, and we have provided various citations, new headings, and links. GemmaMurphy (talk) 00:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

These look like great contributions to the article. Make sure to link many of the concepts you mention to existing articles. Also, make sure you include relevant citations. -EM Testaccountpy242 (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Faithful John?

So we are using as a positive example a story where the "reality guy" knows how to abduct a woman, whereas the "pleasure guy" just wants her for pleasure. That will teach children how to properly behave, especially girls will feel properly instructed, I guess. WTF?--91.64.59.134 (talk) 09:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I have used WP:BOLD to add the appropriate template. --91.64.59.134 (talk) 09:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I apologise for me adding the template. It was wrong, I was angry. I am sorry. I have removed the template again, together with the paragraphs in question.--91.64.59.134 (talk) 11:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

This is the two paragraphs i removed:

In order to instil lessons of maturity and self-control early on, it is critical to teach children how to strengthen their reality principle. Tales such as "Faithful John" by the Brothers Grimm teaches moral lessons in Freud's reality principle and pleasure principle. The story demonstrates how Johannes, the servant in "Faithful John," adheres to the former principle while his master, the young prince, is in the grips of the latter. Johannes's former master, the old king, instructs the servant not to allow the young prince into one particular locked room in the palace. In this room hangs the portrait of a beautiful princess. The prince notices that Johannes always passes by one room in the castle, and he insists on seeing what is in the room—despite the fact that Johannes said no. After seeing the portrait of the princess, the prince falls unconscious to the floor. The princess lives in a distant kingdom and is known to be inaccessible. Knowing that she loves objects of gold, Johannes develops a plan: he has the goldsmiths of the prince's kingdom make all kinds of golden trinkets, then he and the prince sail to the faraway kingdom. Johannes takes many golden objects to the castle, where the princess sees them and wishes to see more. Loyal Johannes lies to the princess, telling her he is a merchant and his master has many finer objects on his ship, and she must come and see them. Once on the ship, the princess does not even notice that the boat is sailing away. Johannes has helped the prince abduct the princess.

The contrast between the rational servant and the irrational young man in love is one established by Freud. "Faithful John follows Freud's reality principle; he is concerned with cause and effect and the consequences of his actions, and thus he is pragmatic in his orientation. Appropriately, the faithful servant does indeed know how to woo the princess. In contrast, the young man follows the pleasure principle; he wishes only to satisfy his burning desire to possess the beautiful maiden but does not know how to accomplish this goal." (56)

I feel that there should be a better way to explain the reality principle, which does not reduce women to objects and sees "is good at abduction" as a marker of the matured personality.--91.64.59.134 (talk) 11:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I feel like i am unable to regain the necessary critical distance. I have requested help from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Feminism#The_Reality_Principle_and_the_Story_of_Faithful_John and will stop editing this page from now on. I hope this turns out well.--91.64.59.134 (talk) 11:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

References

Biased opinionated statement

This sentence “While some of Freud's ideas may be faulty and others not easily testable, he was a peerless observer of the human condition, and enough of what he proposed, particularly concerning the reality principle, manifests itself in daily life“ seems like clear editorializing. Why hasn’t it been removed? 142.79.201.33 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)