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Jenny Craig spokesperson

Can someone change the fact that her 'Personal Life' is predominately comments related to her weight? Am I the only one who thinks it's rude that her weight is even included in the section? It literally has nothing to do with her personal life at all. If anything move it to a 'Sponsorship Section'. Fuhms91 (talk) 05:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)′

Being a Jenny Craig spokesperson is considered to be a prestigious endorsement deal, getting to be in the company of Valerie Bertinelli and Carrie Fisher is quite notable. Shearonink (talk) 01:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Rebel did not attend New York Film Academy, only Second City whilst living in New York. Please take this down, the referenced article is incorrect and it's giving this company unwarranted advertising.

Have you got a reliable source to back that up? - JuneGloom Talk 15:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, asked Rebel on Facebook. She is on it daily. She ONLY went to Second City whilst living in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.139.43 (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Facebook is not a reliable source. But since I WP:AGF and cannot find another source mentioning this, I'll amend the article (though note the it never said she attended the New York Film Academy, just that she enrolled). - JuneGloom Talk 12:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Birth

So why on earth is her birth year estimates? I mean it's not like she was born in some third world country where they can't/don't keep any records. Maybe y'all wanna put something in the article about that if it's not possible to narrow down the YEAR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.162.72.83 (talk) 03:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Rebel can't have been born in 1985/1986 as it currently says on her page. Several websites and news articles state that she is the eldest child in her family. Her sister was on the Amazing Race Australia in 2011 and was 27 at the time, so 28 now. That would make Rebel at LEAST 29, with a birth year of 1983 or earlier. She won't reveal her age in interviews, but surely it could be confirmed somehow? 27.32.55.61 (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

According to this press article she was 22 in 2002. According to this article her younger siblings were 27 in 2011, so they must be born around 1984. How can her older sister be born in 1986? At least the birthdate is highly doubtable! Best regards, --NiTen (talk) 12:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

An IP has found this source - [1] - for her birth date. I don't know too much about TV Guide, but is it considered reliable? - JuneGloom Talk 23:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

TV Guide is used a lot. It is reliable when I have used it.Rain the 1 23:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I've seen a lot of their articles used, so I guess they're fine. But are the site's actor profiles reliable? Who compiles them? - JuneGloom Talk 00:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Well I guess in order to determine that you would have to see how many facts included on the profile are actually true. If everything there is proved reliable - then that is a start. Check a few others out to, if they have many factually accurate profiles then that could strengthen the case.Rain the 1 00:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Everything does seem to match what I've found in other sources so far. I checked a few other actor's profiles and they seem fairly accurate too. I notice Piper Perabo's article uses the TV Guide biography to source her birth date. - JuneGloom Talk 01:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The TV Guide birth date is the same that was in the WP article before. I don't want to say that they have copied directly from here, but surely the found it somewhere on the internet. This does not solve the doubts mentioned above. She cannot be born in 1986. See references above. Regards, --NiTen (talk) 07:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I hadn't seen this conversation before I added the source, but according to the February 8, 2013 issue of Entertainment Weekly, she turned 27 on February 3. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 20:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Born in 1986? She was 28 according to her interview and profile in Forbes Magazines "30 Under 30" in December 2012, see here. She was profiled and interviewed for Forbes Magazines, the full interview doesn't appear to be online at the moment, but thats how old she said she was. Where is this 1986 birthdate coming from?

I'm glad you came to the talk page, gives us more room to discuss the issue than the edit summaries box. Thank you.

I thought the Forbes source had mentioned the year, but I must have misread your edit summary. It's very possible that Forbes/whoever wrote the piece made a mistake. Do they have another piece about her on their site? Maybe it's worth checking to see if they do and what age they give for her in that. One mention could be a mistake, but two or three times not so much. The source in the article is from Entertainment Weekly, which was added by an editor above. I also purchased the magazine and have can confirm that it said Wilson would turn 27 on 3 Feb. I would hope that they fact checked that and the other birthdays mentioned before they went to print. I don't know how reliable this website is, but they state that she turned 27 too: [2], as do these more reliable ones: [3], [4] and [5]. I've think I've seen more sources saying she is 27/26 (back in 2012) than 28/29. - JuneGloom Talk 02:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/24/1032734164283.html This article is from before Rebel became 'famous'. This is a reliable Sydney newspaper. It mentions that she was 19 when she saw her first play, and it was written three years since then...so she would have been 21/22 (depending on when her birthday is). This article was written in 2002 which would make Rebel 30/31 now. She is definitely not born in 1986! There are a lot of websites quoting her birth year as 1986, but it's only because they're getting it from other websites.

http://sydneyonscreen.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/who-magazine-rebel-wilson-interview-and.html In this Who Magazine interview it says "She's secretive about her age - 'I don't have that printed'". So she is obviously trying to keep her birth year quiet. She looks younger than she is anyway, so I'm not sure why it has to be a secret.

Her two middle names are 'Melanie Elizabeth' and she used these rather than Rebel at school . There are a few forums I've seen where people have discussed her age/name, eg this woman says Rebel was born in 1980 or 1981 and that she didn't use Rebel or Wilson while she was at school (http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/baby_names/a1579683-Rebel-Wilson). Yahoo Movies lists her date of birth at November 30th 1979, but doesn't list its source . 27.32.55.61 (talk) 13:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Her birthday definitely appears to be in February. She posted this on her Instagram earlier this year: [6]. - JuneGloom Talk 01:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Since she herself has not come out and said how old she was or when she was born, everything else is really speculation and not confirmation. Media outlets have reported her as different ages. It's best to not include one unless we have any solid evidence. — Status (talk · contribs) 01:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

USA Today says she's 27: [7]. Jauersock^dude?/_dude. 15:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Yahoo Movies lists her birth date as Nov. 30, 1979, as early as June 2013. This birth date is corroborated by the Sydney Morning Herald article "A push over on stage" from May 2002 reporting she was 22 at the time. This date originated at Hollywood.com. Regarding her instagram post, I guess she's trying to appeal to American audiences by passing off as younger. Arbor to SJ (talk) 21:53, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure this should have been changed just yet. How reliable are Hollywood.com and Yahoo Movies? Can anyone edit the entries? - JuneGloom Talk 00:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Those aren't open-source sites. Arbor to SJ (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

One thing's for sure. If she posted something about her birthday last February, then her birthday must not be in November. If Rebel has never told anyone her bday or age, then no one knows when it is, and just makes an educated guess. www.imdb.com seems like a trusted source. They don't even know when her bday is. No one seems to, if there are numerous guesses as to what it is. But if Rebel reveals her age in previous years, that is probably a good clue as to what her age might be. To the "unsigned" second comment, can you site a source for where you got your info? Other people have. Aaron Saltzer (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys, here are four sources that say her birthdate is Feb 3, 1986: GOOGLE [8]. YAHOO MOVIES [9]. HOLLYWOOD.COM [10]. IMDB PRO THAT HAS ALL HER AGENT CONTACT DETAILS ON IT AND APPEARS VERY ACCURATE [11]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.207.236.55 (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

IMDb is not considered a reliable source because anyone can edit it. I think it might be better to remove the date from the article altogether, until a reliable source is found or it is confirmed by the actress herself. It doesn't look good if the date is wrong or, as Aaron Saltzer mentioned above, being guessed at. - JuneGloom Talk 01:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

A correspondent at Ticket#:2014042610008026 claims it's Feb 3, 1986. I agree, best to remove it, until concrete data is obtained.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:50, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Without a reliable source, the date of birth should be removed all together, or left as indeterminate with a reason why. If other sources can be found to support that this is purposefully vague that information could be part of the article. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Now there are two separate birth years for Wilson's possible month/date/year birth. Precisely, when I searched her on Bing, I could only find this (which says Feb 3, 1986), but this might seem to be a lie since visitors to that website can lie about their information. So it definitely should be removed until her real date of birth (with a reliable source) is revealed. IPadPerson (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

How about this for the age, at least? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 09:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Or this? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 09:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, was just talking to another user. Sydney Morning Herald is a trusted news source and it says her age was 28 at the start of 2015 which means she must have been born in 1986. Here is the reference [12]. The current article that is referenced does not actually have her age in it. Hope this helps. TIM W — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.237.135 (talk) 03:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

References

Updated discussion on her birth year

Why is a reliable source like Elle that did a sit down interview with Rebel not sufficient as a source to reference her birth year? They said she was 27 at the time of the interview which was December of last year. That puts her birth year at either 1985 or 1986. LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

My understanding from reading the above discussion is that she has personally stated her age differently during different interviews over the years. There is no independent corroboration of any of these dates. It seems like she just want to keep the world guessing, which is her right. There are excellent arguments stated above for her true birth date being prior to 1986, and perhaps as early as 1979. As for her statements in the Elle interview, she certainly would not be the first celebrity to lie about her age. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 17:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Well isn't she sneaky! And honestly, I added that before I read the talk page, I wasn't trying to go against consensus. LADY LOTUS • TALK 17:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

No worries! That happens a lot with this article. I knew it was a good faith edit, that's why I tried not to be all medieval about it.  ;-) —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 17:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Being an Australian, I would like to say I think a lot of people confused her when she was new with that other actress Rebel Williams who was on that show Double The Fist and who was a few years older. I feel like this is a huge discussion over nothing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.237.135 (talk) 04:10, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, the 3 February is definitely her birth day and month [13]. - JuneGloom07 Talk 21:11, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with the latest addition of her birth year. The ref provided only gives us her age (22) in 2002. Using the birth based on age as of date template gives us either 1979 or 1980 as her birth year making her 34 or 35. According to InStyle and People magazine she just celebrated her 29th birthday. I think 1980 needs to be removed from the article for now. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

@JuneGloom07: you appear to believe that InStyle magazine is somehow more reliable than other sources. I certainly don't. It's even less reliable than People or Hello! (magazines) Quis separabit? 23:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I found the original Sydney Morning Herald article that was quoted in the link provided in the comment from Rms125a@hotmail.com and based on that I added the birth date, with reference. Sydney Morning Herald is a reliable source I hope we can all agree on. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 00:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, was just talking to another user. Sydney Morning Herald is a trusted news source and it says her age was 28 at the start of 2015 which means she must have been born in 1986. Here is the reference [14]. The current article that is referenced does not actually have her age in it. Hope this helps. TIM W — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.237.135 (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The current referenced article says, "Rebel Wilson was 19 by the time she first saw a professionally produced play. In the three short years since...." If the 1986 birth year were accurate, she would have been 16 when this article was written and 13 when she saw the play. But 19 and 3 puts the birth year at 1980. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 04:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Really? That's the source we're going with? One that doesn't explicitly state her date of birth, just her age at the time, which is conflicted by other reliable sources and even itself [15] (as pointed out by the IP above). That SMH piece doesn't even mention the day and month of her birthday, so they're still going to need sourcing in the article. I think this needs further discussion and that birthdate removed from the article for now. - JuneGloom07 Talk 16:28, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm beginning to wonder why I care, but I do. I've written the following email to the author of the January 1, 2015 Sydney Morning Herald article that states an age of 28.

Good Morning,

In your article January 1st (link) you state Rebel Wilson's age as 28 which would put her birth year as 1986. However in another Sydney Morning Herald article in 2002 by Lisa Pryor (link) her age was listed as 22, which would put her birth year as 1980. I was wondering if you had a source for the 1986 birth year.

There is a discussion taking place on the Wikipedia talk page for her article (link) regarding proper source vetting for her birth year.

The main trouble is that Wikipedia editors such as myself take some measure of pride in only using reliable sources such as the Sydney Morning Herald when we quote facts in biographical articles. And in this case we seem to have one trusted source contradicting itself.

I understand if you don't want to be involved in the discussion. But I am writing in hopes of getting some clarification.

Thanks for your time.

I know any reply won't be useful as a source. But it will be personally satisfying. Perhaps we will have to open an RfC and try to form a new consensus. As for the February 3rd date, there are several non-conflicting sources that can be added for that. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 16:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The two most recent in-depth ELLE Magazine articles have Rebel at 29 as of April 2015. Here is a link to the scan of the article as reported by the EDITOR of that respected magazine. [16] . Sorry I do not want to edit the article page again as I see people coming back on and continually adding or changing the age, but I'm fairly sure the consensus is she's born in 1986. Cheers, TIM W. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.237.135 (talk) 23:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Another famous Aussie who has lied about their age, just like Molly Meldrum who was found out but the one who still gets away with it the late Chrissy Amphlett born 1954 not 1959. Good to see Rebels age finally revealed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.111.0.9 (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Why does my edit keep getting deleted?

I added Rebel's birth date twice now, and it keeps getting deleted. I am wondering why that is? It's pretty obvious her birth date is not February 3, 1986, like some people claim. Not to mention, she has clearly stated in at least one interview that her birthday is NOT that day. Why lie to the public? Aaron Saltzer (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

As you can see from the above discussions, Wilson's birth date is disputed, and your edit was not backed up by a reliable source. - JuneGloom07 Talk 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

So the edit's being deleted, because well, we don't know so let's just leave the date that's there in? That doesn't make any sense.

Yahoo Movies listed her as born Nov. 30, 1979 in 2013 [17], and this 2002 Australian news article corroborates that, reporting she was 22 as of May 2002 [18]. Arbor to SJ (talk) 03:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wilson seemingly confirmed her birthday as the 3 February [19], so that Yahoo! Movies day seems like a mistake. Is YM a reliable source for birthdates? Since there are still issues surrounding her birthdate, I think it would be better to remove it altogether (again) and wait for more reliable sources confirming the date. It's not the end of the world if the date isn't mentioned and I think the article would benefit from the peace for a while. - JuneGloom07 Talk 21:32, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

DOB: The evidence from before she was world famous

I was intrigued by the assertions that Rebel had been lying about her age. I had found her pretend age and DOB very believable, to the extent that I nearly changed her DOB on IMDB. I don't know why, but something stopped me - I did some real research. This is what I found (in addition to the other articles referenced from the SMH, posted above).

Sydney Morning Herald 29/05/2002 - confirms her age as 22

http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&kw=Rebel+Wilson&pb=all_pubs&dt=enterRange&dr=entire&sd=01%2F01%2F2000&ed=01%2F01%2F2004&so=relevance&sf=text&sf=headline&rc=10&rm=200&sp=adv&clsPage=1&docID=SMH020529M6EBJ21STPN

The Sun Herald 01/12/2002 - confirms her age as 22

http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&kw=Rebel+Wilson&pb=all_pubs&dt=enterRange&dr=entire&sd=01%2F01%2F2000&ed=01%2F01%2F2004&so=relevance&sf=text&sf=headline&rc=10&rm=200&sp=adv&clsPage=1&docID=SHD021201AIG7F7V1J8E

The Age 09/04/2005 - claims her age is 24

From here things get a little strange, it appears that she starts lying about her age in, as if ironically, a publication called "The Age":

http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&kw=Rebel+Wilson&pb=all_pubs&dt=enterRange&dr=entire&sd=01%2F01%2F2004&ed=01%2F01%2F2007&so=relevance&sf=text&sf=headline&rc=10&rm=200&sp=adv&clsPage=1&docID=AGE0504097N2885VQGS6 Bloodholds (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thank You for posting the proof and changing it. She was definitely born in 1979 or 1980. There was no way she was born in 1986 if she attended college from 1999-2003. Unless she started college when she was like 13. lol. HesioneHushabye (talk) 07:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Yahoo isn't a reliable source. Since she states her birthday is in February, I think it's rational to assume she was born in February 1980 and not November 1979. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 08:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

• • • No one has referred to Yahoo in this section, until you did - certainly not me. I don't understand your point? However, I wouldn't accept a Yahoo link as a valid source for Wikipedia either. To paraphrase an inspired Wikipedian, who wrote above - "I don't know why some facts matter, they just do". I know that feeling, I'm sure you do too. Bloodholds (talk) 06:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is a mess. The Yahoo reference needs to go as – 1) it's an archivelink, and 2) it's apparently got the year wrong. Seeing as no provided reference can verify 1980, I'd advise striking the year of birth from the article entirely for now, and leave it as "February 3" which is the only thing that can be unambiguously verified. Also, the twitter reference needs to go. --IJBall (talk) 23:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

As I stated above, I think the whole date needs to be removed for now. - JuneGloom07 Talk 23:14, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see the topic above this one until now... But I definitely agree with you – if we can't actively source "1980" (i.e. not a ref that says she was "22 in 2002", but a reliable source that actually says "[She] was born in 1980..."), then any birthyear needs to go from the article, at least for now. --IJBall (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

As we're still getting edits on this, and it's likely to be contentious, I'm leaning in the direction of removing the birthdate entirely. If there are no other comments here about this, I'm likely to remove it myself tomorrow... --IJBall (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Go for it. - JuneGloom07 Talk 21:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I posted about her age above in July 2013. Anyone in Australia who has read that Sydney Morning Herald article from 2002 knew that she was not born in 1986. Here are some school photos (this is generally not a reliable magazine, but the photos don't lie!) Doesn't confirm her exact birthday, of course, but confirms that her birth year is much closer to 1979/1980 http://www.womansday.com.au/celebrity/australian-celebrities/will-the-real-rebel-wilson-please-stand-up-12574

Most of the recent sources are saying that she is 36. If this and true and she was born on a date in February then this would have been in 1979 and not 1980 as the article currently says. Afterwriting (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

There is literally no way she was born in 1986 so any reference to 1986 needs to be removed immediately. We have 100% fact the years she attended high school which was in 1997. Unless she attended high school when she was 11 years old. 21:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Rebel changed her surname but Rebel really is her first name, and she was born on March 2nd, 1980. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/ls-celebrity-news/rebel-wilsons-birth-date-revealed-in-asic-documents-20150519-gh5caq.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.28.115 (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Note: Because of the confusion between dmy dates and mdy dates, even the above source can not confirm "2 March" vs. "3 February", so I have removed the day and month from her birthdate in the article (for now). --IJBall (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

There is absolutely no confusion in that source. The Australian Government (ASIC) confirms her DOB as 2 March 1980, written in Australia as 2/3/1980. The only "confusion" exists in the minds of some Americans, who interpret that date as 3 February 1980. The fib has been put to rest once and for all. WWGB (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: "the fib" - I doubt that anyone who has edited this article has been willfully lying about their interpretation of the known facts (as in lie/untruth/falsehood/fib/fabrication/deception). Shearonink (talk) 23:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I was not referring to Wikipedia editors ..... WWGB (talk) 23:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

That's good to know. Shearonink (talk) 23:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's people misinterpreting the date format, but Rebel herself using that date, like this tweet. Melonkelon (talk) 00:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. I think there is still significant enough ambiguity about the actual birthdate, that I am still of the opinion it should be striken from the article until something more definitive can be produced. At this point, I personally think only 1980 can actually be definitively enough verified by outside sources... --IJBall (talk) 01:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, exactly where is the ambiguity? A highly reliable source, The Sydney Morning Herald, cites an Australian government site (ASIC) reporting her DOB as 2 March 1980. That trumps every other misrepresentation and misunderstanding. WWGB (talk) 01:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

First, relax – I have absolutely no stake in this. Second, it's one press source, relying on one gov't document (i.e. "single sourcing") – can we be 100% sure it's correct, and that the date on the form isn't the result of a simple typographic transposition of digits? Third, as Melonkelon points out, Rebel Wilson has used the "February 3" date herself on her Twitter account (see, esp. this ). All of this points enough to ambiguity that, on a BLP, we should tread very carefully, and exclude anything that can not be verified by multiple reliable sources. --IJBall (talk) 01:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Are we sure the newspaper writer didn't mix up 2/3 and 3/2? Rebel celebrates her birthday on February 3. Why lie about that? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 04:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The real problem here is that the date on the government form comes from a document filed with them, it's not a government *issued* source, so it can't be considered a date "confirmed by the Australian government". Further compounding the problem here is that the article references THIS Wikipedia page as a sources for her birthdate, so it becomes circular logic, which is completely faulty. The issue at heart is what year she was born - not whether it was February 3 or March 2, but whether the year was 1980 or it was 1986. In any case, a verifiable and dependable source must be given to confirm Wilson's birthdate, not edit warring. For the time being, I removed the http://www.smh.com.au source since it gives Wikipedia as a source to verify their contention of her birthdate. Lizabetha (talk) 06:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The SMH cites ASIC as its source, not Wikipedia. In fact, Wikipedia is mentioned in the article only in terms of an earlier edit war over Wilson's birthday. There is no circular logic in the SMH, only reliance on an independent government source. Your assertion is quite flawed. WWGB (talk) 06:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Refoucusing here, I think there is quite enough evidence offered in this thread, and in the Sydney Morning Hearld article, and elsewhere, that Wilson almost certainly was born in 1980. The problem is a specific birthdate because we have various sources and documents variously claiming 2 March, 3 February, and once upon a time even 20 November(?!). Because there's so much confusion here, I really don't think we can put a specific birthdate in the article at this time – we need more evidence from outside sources. I suspect the Australian press (and possibly the American gossip press, as well) will work this out over the next week or so... --IJBall (talk) 06:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I am happy to leave the 2/3 and 3/2 alternatives in the article for a time. I do not favour listing just 1980 as greater accuracy is known. WWGB (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

ASIC is an Australian government agency and it is a criminal offence to write lie's on ASIC documents especially if your a director of a company like Rebel Wilson was at one time. What ever date of birth rebel Wilson wrote on her ASIC documents you can be assured is her real date of birth especially as the documents were filled out before she was even on Australian television. Yellow wiggle (talk) 14:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

It's still "single sourcing" on a date that has multiple sources giving us multiple different dates on. I strongly think we need more than this to nail the DOB down. One other point – for someone who's apparently misled the public for years, it's not a stretch to think that birthdate on the form is a "fib" as well, "criminal offence" or not... --IJBall (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Years active

I can find no significant roles from any earlier than 2002. The claimed year of "1999" is only mentioned in the Infobox and has no sourcing to back it up. Shearonink (talk) 05:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I remember seeing content that mentioned something to that effect, but at this point it does not look like there is anything credible before 2003. Have at it. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Name

A tabloid blog has made claims that Rebel Wilson is not her real name. She has explained that it is in the past and that she went by a different name (her middle name and mother's maiden name) while at school. Rebel Wilson is a more reliable source than a blog. It would also pay to use some logic - do you really think her parents would call their children Liberty, Ryot (Riot), Annachi (Anarchy) and Melanie? It beggars belief. MaxMad1982 (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know when and why it was changed. Her name is Rebel, but she went by her middle names at school to avoid being teased. She has stated that her parents named her after another girl called Rebel. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I've changed it back, as no one provided a reliable source. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Woman's Day magazine made the claim. "Separating fact from fiction: Will the real Rebel Wilson please stand up?". Melonkelon (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest that Woman's Day is not a good enough source for Wikipedia. Especially not when their story is based on an anonymous school chum and is directly contradicted by the person themself. DarrenKillane (talk) 22:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Pictures don't lie. She was in high school in 1997. but apparently born in 1986. So she was 11 years old I guess lol. HesioneHushabye (talk) 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I have removed her "birth name" from the information box because at present we don't actually know for sure whether her first name at birth was "Rebel" or "Melanie". Until we know for certain I suggest this needs to stay out of the info box.

According to the trademark registration information for her Westie Monologues show her name is "Melanie Bownds" and her "stage name/persona" is "Rebel Wilson". The information says:

"The westie monologues' is the title of a play written by Melanie Bownds in 2001; it has been released for public reading, however, as having being written by melanie bownds' stage name/persona: rebel wilson; it is a comic play which has all female characters, aged mainly between 17-25, depicting short monologues about themselves and their lives; these monologues are loosely connected, and contain some musical elements; nearly all the characters are referred to as 'westie's' which is a common slang term for people living in Sydney's western suburbs; the humour is derived by capitalising on the sterotypes related to being a 'westie'; this play was written primarily as a stage play, but with the aim of developing the script and concept further to include it in any of the television, film, radio, print, stand-up comedy, and any other performance genres, where the writer deems appropriate."

Afterwriting (talk) 08:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

The article still has no explanation for the unusual name. I doubt if parents would actually be allowed to register a name like 'Rebel' for a baby girl in Sydney in the 1980s, even if the parents were bogans (and there's plenty of evidence that they weren't). 'Rebel Wilson' sounds like a classic stage name for an actor/standup to me. --Ef80 (talk) 20:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Yet another birth year discussion

It seems like this article has her year of birth listed differently every month. Has Rebel herself confirmed it anywhere yet? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 03:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Why would we trust her version, she seems to be the one distorting the truth to appear younger. Government records (ASIC), published in a very reliable source (SMH), confirm she was born on 2 March 1980 [20]. I don't see it "differently every month", if it is varied it is soon reverted. WWGB (talk) 04:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

As I pointed out when this came up before it's one "reliable source", which makes its "verifiability" less than solid in my book. I really think we need a second (or more) source on this, and should pull the birthdate from the article until we get one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Wilson sat for her HSC in 1997 [21]. If you believe the "born 1986" claim, she would be 11 years old when she finished high school. Really? WWGB (talk) 01:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Did I say that? No – what I said is that we need more sourcing for the specific 2 March (1980) date. I don't think one source is enough. I'd leave just "1980" until more sourcing can be secured, as the currently listed birthdate is controversial (and under-confirmed). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Finally, Wilson admits she is a big fat liar! [22] WWGB (talk) 11:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Siblings' names

So, this woman claims her real name is 'Rebel' (until it's proven not to be the case, and that in reality she simply adopted a nickname); she also claims her siblings are called, essentially, 'Anarchy', 'Riot', and 'Liberty' (spelled differently for... whatever reasons)- what's the likelihood none of them actually bear those 'right-on' names, and are, like Rebel Wilson herself, more likely to have perfectly normal first names a la 'Melanie'? It's probably either the case that they all simply adopted these... alternative names, or Wilson gave those names in whatever interview it was as a play on her own, or to bolster her claim that her birth name was 'Rebel'. Not something to include in the article, of course, but the question occurred to me on reading it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.210.206 (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Weight

Writing about her weight is not rude - it is a fact. The "celebrities" like her can always expect the public to discuss their appearance, weight, clothes etc. This is a price they must pay for their wealth. At the beginning they love it. After years they think they should be paid for everything due to their fame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.177.2.232 (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Physicality

I added a thoughtfully considered section about Wilson's physicality because it is a prominent part of her career and she is a prominent body positivity activist. Her recent health journey has been well documented on her Instagram and is something she is proud of. Grapepinky (talk) 15:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Family

Some editor has removed factual information. This is not hearsay or rumours. 49.178.123.20 (talk) 03:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)