Talk:Rebis

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The last bullet point in the spoilers regarding the game Elden Ring spoils a relatively large plot point only revealed towards the end of the game. Elden Ring is still a new release, so I'd like to have that part removed, at least for the time being.

Indecks45 (talk) 06:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Where exactly does the Rebis come up in Elden Ring? I can;t find any mention of it. ZinOnWiki (talk) 02:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Confusing

Contradictions between the articles Rebis and Magnum opus (alchemy)

Question re the magnum opus	Rebis says	Magnum opus (alchemy) says
What is its end product?	Rebis	The philosopher's stone
What are its stages?	putrefaction, purification, and uniting once more	(originally) nigredo, albedo, citrinitas, and rubedo (later expanded from 4 to 12 or 14)

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• 1602 Sir George Erskine Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland v11 p195

  Item now tak the pott out of the earth and carye it secreatlie into zour chal. mer, where zou meane to worke, and look merely into the pott, for in it zou may behold the substance of Rebis converted into watter: this is that Rebis so muche talked off, this is blaker than blak, this is our stone, the stone that is not named in any booke, bot one freind reveales it to ane vther, and so they keep it by tradition closs amongst thame selffs only; in treuth this is that great stone of which all the great doctors and philosophers speik so obscurely, thairfoir look cheerfully into the pott and be merry now, for zou sall have greater cause of joy heerefter.

• 1650 A New Light of Alchymie; A Chymical Dictionary by "Dr J. F."

  Rebis is the excrement of the belly.

  Rebus is the last matter of things.

  Rebisola is a secret urine against the jaundise.

• 1657 William Johnson Lexicon Chymicum: Cùm Obscuriorum Verborum, Et Rerum Hermeticarum

  p. 2 Abeßi, Idem quod Rebis. Nempe ultima ciborum materia.

  pp. 63-64 Chrysocolla, terra viridis. Græcis & Latinis est Chrysocolla, quasi gluten auri. ... Dicitur azot, Rebis, aqua Sulphuris, vinum anineum, Flos, &c. Ruland. pag. 148. enumerat sex species Chrysocollæ.

  p. 121 Lapis Rebis, Lapis de montanis, est Testudo, Rebis

  p. 172 Rebis, excrementum alvi. Rebis, lapis rebis, est Capilli. Rebus vero, est ultima rerum materia.

• 1672 Walter Dolle engraving of Theophilus de Garencières, whose desk has a bottle with "Rebis" on it containing the Sun and Moon
• 1678 Ripley Reviv'd: or, an exposition upon Sir George Ripley's Hermetico-Poetical Works v4 "An Exposition on the Fourth Gate; which is Conjunction" p289

  We have particularly three Conjunctions, all which must be known by him who intends to compleat this Maftery.

  The first is gross, which I touched before; it is the Amalgamation of Sol with our Mercury, which because the mixture is made of two things, it is called Conjunction diptative; and the Compound is now called Rebis, that is, two things, according to the verse, Res Rebis est Vina confecta. ... To this if thou hast attended, thou shalt know the extent and full Latitude of this Conjunction; this is a manual work, and the last manual work, next to the putting and sealing of it in the Egg, that thou hast, before thou hast attained the first degree of the Mastery.

  The Second manner is called Triptative, Which is a Conjunction of things three, Of Body, Soul and Spirit, that they not Strive, Which Trinity thou must bring to Unity,

  The next Conjunction that follows this in order, is when thou haft so administred and regulated thy Fire, that thy Spirits shall so ascend and circulate, until they have extracted out of the fixed Body its most digested virtue, or subtle Soul, which is Sulphureous, or of great Firiness. Then shall the Spirit and Soul descend, and shall unite it self with the Body; then shall the Air be converted into Dust, according to the process of noble Sandivogius, where they shall lye contumulate for six weeks without breath; and after when the Spirit of life shall enter into them, the Spirit and Soul shall by their mighty force carry aloft the Body with them, so that it shall go out and return with them, for now these three are made one.

• 1688 Jan Baptist van Helmont translation One Hundred Fifty Three Chymical Aphorisms p32

  30. There may be a certain fixed Unctuosity extracted from gold, without a Phylosophick Dissolution of the Gold into Mercury, which serveth instead of a ferment generating Sol and Luna; and that is performed by way of abreviating the Work, which Geber calleth Rebis.

• 1881 Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry cap 32 p 839 has the Rebis Theoria Philosophiae Hermeticae 1617 image
• Arthur Edward Waite
  • 1893 translation of "The Golden Tract" (1674) in The Hermetic Museum v1 p14:

    And Richard the Englishman says: "The stone is one, the medicine one, which, however, according to the philosophers, is called Rebis (Two-thing), being composed of two things, namely, a body and spirit [red or white]. But over this many foolish persons have gone astray, explaining it in divers ways." Rebis is two things, and these two things are one thing, namely, water joined to a body, by which the body is dissolved into a spirit, that is, mineral water, out of which it was first made; and this body and spirit make up one mineral water, which is called Elixir, that is to say, ferment; for then water and spirit are one thing, of which is composed a tincture and medicine for purging all bodies. And thus, according to the philosophers, we have the nature of sulphur and mercury above ground, while underground they become gold and silver.

  • 1894 translation of Paracelsus Hermetic chemistry p. 55

    Hence the sophists* gathered that this philosophical matter was in the blood of animals or of man. Sometimes, too, because they are nourished by vegetables, others have sought it in hairs, in salt of urine, in rebis; others in hens' eggs, in milk, and in the calx of egg shells, with all of which they thought they would be able to fix Mercury. Some have extracted salt out of fœtid urine, supposing that to be the matter of the Stone. Some persons, again, have considered the little stones found in rebis to be the matter.

From the preceding, it seems to me that, depending on the source alchemist, "rebis" may have meant (a) excrement (b) some intermediate alchemical product (c) some final alchemical product. The word "rebis" may be a pure synonym for the philosopher's stone, or a subtly different aspect for the same underlying concept, or something fundamentally different. Perhaps some alchemists didn't use the term or the concept at all. Perhaps some modern neo-alchemists and writers of alchemy-themed fiction have developed the idea in other ways. What the 1617 image meant to its creator and how it was interpreted later may conform to various of the preceding. jnestorius^(talk) 02:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Principe, Lawrence (2013). The Secrets of Alchemy. University of Chicago Press. pp. 121–122. ISBN 978-0-226-68295-2. says

Most advice on making the [philosopher's] stone ... involved combining two substances ... variously [personified as] King and Queen, Sun and Moon, Gabritius and Beya [...or termed] Philosophical Mercury and [Philosophical] Sulfur. The two-ingredient starting material sometimes goes under the name of rebis, from the Latin for "two-thing."

This is a WP:RS, an academic book about alchemy, unlike the article's current sources. jnestorius^(talk) 03:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Rebis is a Mesopotamian god/goddess in origin but their language lacked vowels which keeps them in a mystery. Bisexual in nature like Hermes we are likely looking at grammar but lost just as Yahweh is tetra (4rth) grammaton (person) and grammatical. The divinity of Aeon is from ancient Babylonian astrology and linked to the Great Mesopotamian conjunction last occurring in 2020 on December 20th. Now what Paracelsus said was that in the wedding or union we change one letter, in the god/goddess of Aeon because the male ("he is") occurs but "she is" remains a mystery (exist but not occurs). The female (she is) Principle (3rd person singular ("he is"/"she is") remains in matter. We do not know the groom male (he is) name occurring but we know the female aspect (she is) in matter remains the same, Rebis. The male is the same but one letter (Paracelsus): we found Rebis/Rabin but remember they did not have vowels, the "a" and "e" are subjective (added later). But look at the "n" and "s", think of Yitzhak Rabin (nobel peace) and his assassination by his own people (November 4). There is your Christ/Moses figure and did occur. What you want to remember here is that the Mesoponamian conjunction every 2000 years is of greatest proximity (quantum entanglement). In October 2020 Saturn and Jupiter had an orbit event and instead of being conjunct in December at 2.8 degrees Aquarius, ended up going conjuct at 0.3 degrees (reset like a clock). It proved macro entanglement which NASA announced late July 2021, the same week as code red (IPCC) announcing we are scientifically going extinct. Code red was leaked but the meeting was supposed to be November 4, oddly the same day as the assassination. What is even more astounding is that the Saturn Jupiter conjunction next takes place in 2040 on November 4. Watch how November 4 is entangled. NASA did not tell anyone how they discovered quantum entanglement, simply called it "Christmas Star" for religious reasons. 2607:FEA8:80DC:1D00:E34D:283F:F0DD:FCCB (talk) 01:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)