Talk:Recopa Sudamericana

Naming

There seams to be a difference between the naming used by Conmebol and the RSSSF.

For instance, Conmebol considers that Cienciano won the Recopa 2004[1] while RSSSF considers it won the 2003[2] edition.

Should we follow the Conmebol system? After all, its the official organizator, and uses the year in which the match is played. -Mariano(t/c) 17:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Better to use the Conmebol system them, as they are the competition organizators. Feel free to change the years to the Conmebol system. But would be good to mention in the article that RSSSF uses a different system. Regards, Carioca 17:44, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Well, the Conmebol is the tourney organizer, if they call it 2005, we should follow suit, whether we like it or not. This is an encyclopedia, after all, and should reflect the names as they are given by the organizers. Mariano's example about the Copa Libertadores is more than accurate. Having said all of this, I like the RSSSF way better... but such is life. :) --Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 19:18, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

By the way, the 1998 was played in 1999, but is still called 1998[3]. Mariano(t/c) 08:17, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I wish they got their act together. :) --Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 15:24, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Date format

Why are dates in mont-day format??? I'd like to change them to day-month if that's ok... Mariano(t/c) 08:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess someone from the US wrote it that way, it's just how dates are given there, unlike in most of the world. In any case, I think it's better to write the month in full, that way there is no confusion for anyone.--Gabbec 14:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the feedback. Mariano(t/c) 12:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Recopa Sudamericana/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC) To start the review off, I looked at the images and a bit of the format.

• I'm not seeing a reason to have File:Recopa-old.PNG on the article, and I'm surprised we can't find a free image of the trophy. I'm not sure about having that image in either per fair use guidelines.
  • To show what the old logo looks like. BTW, there isn't a single free image of the trophy online. Trust me...I checked thoughly. If you can find one, I will give you 10 green bucks online.
    • Fair enough on the trophy, but there's no reason to have the old logo image if the only rationale is "to show what it looks like". I'll delete it if that's alright.

Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 17:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• References need to go after punctuation, not before. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Done.Jamen Somasu (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I removed the old logo. Anything else? This article deserves to be a GA and it has been long overdue.Jamen Somasu (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The references check out, though the format and sponsorship sections need citations. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 21:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. Jamen Somasu (talk) 23:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll finish the review tomorrow. Sorry for the delay, I'm falling apart on the review end of things. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That's cool. Just let me know if this page needs anything else. This has loooooong warranted being a GA (as well as the Copa Libertadores). Jamen Somasu (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Here's the rest of the review:

• "Contrary to many other super cups around the world, the Recopa Sudamericana is highly regarded in its continent and rarely disputed by second-tier lineups from participating clubs." Despite being in the lead, a statement like that needs a cite. Would probably fit better in the last lead paragraph as well.
• "Previously, the Recopa Sudamericana was disputed between the Copa Libertadores winner and the Supercopa Sudamericana champion until the Supercopa was disbanded" disputed's probably not a good word there. reword, perhaps "previously, the CL winner and SS champion competed for the RS until..." (not abbreviated of course) Same for the following sentence, pick a different word.
• "Thus, CONMEBOL named the new competition after the defunct Recopa Sudamericana de Clubes played in 1970 and 1971 and named it the Recopa Sudamericana." Reword; "Thus, CONMEBOL named the new competition Recopa Sudamericana after the defunct..."
• "It is noteworthy to mention" not encyclopedia to use phrases like that; remove/reword. Actually, you can combine that with the previous sentence and just note it by saying the two are not related chronologically.
• All scores (0-1, etc.) need to use the – in place of the dash.
• "Nacional managed to lift the trophy after winning 4-1 on points" sounds somewhat odd, mainly the lift part; reword.
• I'd like a citation for the Olimpia automatic win.
• "São Paulo will win" change to won. Plus, 'ever' later in the sentence can be removed.
• "São Paulo successfully defends the trophy against Botafogo" again, watch your tense. Everything has to be past tense.
• The second history paragraph is uncited.
• "CONMEBOL had Copa CONMEBOL winners Botafogo dispute the Recopa Sudamericana only to lose 3-1 to the defending champions." I'm confused; reword.

I'm gonna stop here since there's more issues than I thought, and some likely appear later in the article and can be doubly fixed. Let me know when the above is done and I'll do the rest. It's not a long article so it shouldn't take long to finish. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Everything above was fixed. Jamen Somasu (talk) 11:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

And now, the rest of the rest of the review:

• "led by iconic figure Jorge Burruchaga" iconic figure's a bit overboard and can be removed.
• "Independiente will participate in a second final" tense
• "in order to determine who will become the first tricampeon" tense
• "The Xeneizes won 4–1 on points and successfully defended the title becoming the first side since Telê Santana's São Paulo to win consecutive Recopas." missing a comma
• "LDU Quito are set to defend the title against Estudiantes in 2010." LDU's linked in the previous sentence, can be unlinked here.
• "Thus, CONMEBOL states that Nacional from Uruguay won the first Recopa of 1989, whereas the RSSSF refers to that championship as Recopa 1988." cite needed

That's all. I'll put this on hold, and after these are fixed I'll do one more look through on the language, as some of it is rather superficial and not too encyclopedic. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Nom was indefblocked, so GA fails. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 19:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Anything more I could do?Leedman2 (talk) 00:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll look over the article again shortly and see if there's anything else. I would suggest going through and making a copyedit though to find any prose that doesn't sound right. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 13:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Going through one more time now. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 00:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

  What I'm going to do is re-nominate this, because I think it's really close, but at the same time I really think it needs a new pair of reviewer eyes. Any other issues I'll probably miss at this point. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Recopa Sudamericana

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Reference named "Reglamento":

• From Copa Sudamericana: (in Spanish) "Reglamento de la Copa Nissan Sudamericana de Clubes 2010" (PDF). CONMEBOL. April 28, 2010. Retrieved May 18, 2010.
• From Copa Libertadores: "Reglamento de la Copa Santander Libertadores de América" (PDF) (in Spanish). CONMEBOL. Retrieved May 18, 2010. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

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Money Prize

Does the winner team gets a money prize? Even if not, wouldn't it be relevant information to include? I tried to find sources to verify that information, but I was not able to find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.35.76 (talk) 22:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Recopa Sudamericana

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Recopa Sudamericana's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Secondary":

• From Copa Sudamericana: "Image of the 2010 Copa Sudamericana draw with its sponsors clearly represented". Caracas Futbol Club. March 9, 2006. Retrieved May 18, 2010.
• From Copa Libertadores: "A team lining up before a Copa Libertadores match". Banco Santander. March 9, 2006. Retrieved May 18, 2010.

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