Talk:Recovered Territories

Polonization of the "Recovered Territories"

I think the phrase "The result was the largest exchange of population in European history" is completely misleading. There was no exchange of Population with Germany it was mass expulsion and the largest (and most successful) ethnic cleansing program Europe has ever witnessed. There is much talk of the Square kilmometrage of the Kresy but Polish population in these areas was a minority of perhaps a total of 2 million, about the same number of non Polish eastern Europeans were removed from Poland so the myth that the Prussian lands were needed by a deplaced Polish population doesn't hold water. Bearing in mind the unfortunate victims of nazi brutality ranging from some 3 to 6 million in Poland alone we can suggest that there was not a pressing need for extra land for an already diminished population. I suggest that the phrase is transformed to reflect the truth behind the policies of Stalin ( not forgetting the Polish government in exiles leader Władysław Eugeniusz Sikorski suggestion that the Getman hourde will be pushed back westwardsof the Oder) that and the agreements made by the the Big three to 'give' this land to Polish "temporary administration" and the subsequent removal of all German culture and historical heritage along with 99% of all Germans in these lands. It was not merely a population transfer. It remains the largest forced population transfer ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.139.155.68 (talk) 04:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM. Volunteer Marek  05:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

But Poland LOST territory, totally !

How was this explained then, 1920 some 386,418 km2, but in 1947 just 312,679 km2 remained ?

Poland's perhaps largest extension, 1635

And this maps shows the largest (I think) Poland ever, but Breslau and Stettin wasn't included. But on the other hand Lwow (also known as Lemberg), Brest-Litovsk and Wilna were Polish until the three dividings around 1700. I think most of the Lwow population had to walk to Breslau (now Wroclaw). Were really these Communist ideas of "old rights" bought by the people ? If (European) territories in general was to go back to some kind of old roots, then what about France and Britain ? (The Normands invaded England in 1066, but during the Hundred years war, half of France was English.) And what about The Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Habsburgian Empire... etc. The most stable borders in Europe, is found at the Iberian Peninsula, but the Arabs could demand most of it "back". This sounds strange... Boeing720 (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

1) What's your point? 2) This is not Poland on the map, but the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - little difference-, an union of Poland and Lithuania... Brest and Vilnius were Lithuanian.. --Jonny84 (talk) 01:42, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The name "Brest-Litovsk" does actually mean "Lithuanian Brest" Universal-Interessierter^de (talk (de)) 05:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

"New Northern and Western provinces of Poland" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect New Northern and Western provinces of Poland. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 23#New Northern and Western provinces of Poland until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 23 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Recovered Territories → Areas of Poland ethnically cleansed of Germans – "Recovered Territories" is non-neutral Polish propaganda term. Reliable sources such as scholarly books (Uprooted: How Breslau Became Wroclaw During the Century of Expulsions, A Clean Sweep?: The Politics of Ethnic Cleansing in Western Poland, 1945-1960, Germans to Poles: Communism, Nationalism and Ethnic Cleansing After the Second World War, Redrawing Nations: Ethnic Cleansing in East-Central Europe, 1944-1948) treat ethnically cleansed areas. Graf von Aehrenthal (talk) 09:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: it is true it's a propaganda term, however a better new titie should be proposed, a bit more modearte...like Post WWII territorial acquisitions from Germany or similar, hard to guess immediately.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC))
• Your links have the search term left in them. If you search for "Poland ethnic cleansing Germans", you will find "Poland ethnic cleansing Germans", but that hardly is any good research. (2A02:A31C:223:5880:9418:CD:5037:2A5A (talk) 19:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC))
• Strong oppose: There is already a precise native name for these exact lands, Ziemie Odzyskane ("Recovered Territories"), so why should we replace it for a much more abstract name that is not used by anyone? When Poles talk about these areas, I doubt they refer to them as "Areas of Poland ethnically cleansed of Germans". Besides that this name is not accurate either, since in these lands there were Polish minorities before the expulsion of the Germans (mostly in Mazuria and Upper Silesia) and there are still a few thousand Germans (mostly in Silesia). Super Ψ Dro 22:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. While the term has propaganda origins, it is well estabilished in English and other languages' historiographies, so WP:COMMONNAME, etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. The Oder-Neisse line, the postwar border between Germany and Poland, was recognized in 1950 by East Germany and in 1970 by West Germany, and was affirmed by a reunited Germany in the German-Polish Border Treaty of 1990. If the proposed unwieldy title were to be adopted for this article, it might be necessary to refer to pre-war German territories that Germans had taken over from the Poles, during centuries of German Drang nach Osten, similarly as "Areas of Poland ethnically cleansed of Poles by the Germans". Nihil novi (talk) 07:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Established term. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Variants

Does anyone know an English language scholar using the terms Postulated Territories, Returning Territories and Western and Northern Territories for the recovered territories? And I've heard the term Western Borderlands very rarely, the vast majority of English language scholars call them the Recovered Territories or Regained Lands. Crainsaw (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)