Talk:Recreation Park (Pittsburgh)

Team name

The club played in Allegheny City, which was then separate from Pittsburgh. They were thus listed as "Allegheny" in the standings, and referred to sometimes as the "Alleghenys", just like Chicago was the "Chicagos". They were not the "Alleghenies". As I recall, they styled themselves as "Pittsburgh" when they switched to the NL, but they weren't the "Pittsburgh Alleghenys", they were just plain "Pittsburgh". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

According to The Bucs! which I got from the library (pretty good team history) "Alleghenies" and "Alleghenys" are interchangable. It's the same team, just different spelling. Blackngold29 04:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

They're missing the point. "Allegheny" was the name of the city, not the team nickname. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, but that's what it says; I'm sure it's just a way to simplify it for us over 100 years after it happend. It's just easier to say the team was the "Pittsburg Alleghenies" than "The Alleghey City Baseball Club" everytime, although I've found a few sources that use the latter. I had a heck of a time finding info about this park, as far as I can tell this article is the most comprehensive single source out there. And I don't even have when the park was built or torn down. Blackngold29 04:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Info about the park is sketchy, as is often the case with 19th-century venues that only existed for a few years. They might begin with great hoopla and then die quietly. Baker Bowl is a classic study of that phenomenon. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The thing about this park is that there are no pictures that I can find, so I'm not even sure what was actually there. There are different sources, one stating a 2,500 capacity and then a different sources stating that a few years later it was 17,000. So was it a wooden grandstand that was expanded or just standing room only and then the grand stand was built? Or is it like Exposition Park (Pittsburgh) which actually is three different ballparks? There's just no info and the only way I see to get it is a big effort of going to the library and doing a ton of research, and even then I don't know what I'd be able to find. It just doesn't seem worth the effort when I could work on other articles about more popular topics. Blackngold29 05:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of succession box for Pitt Panthers

Succession boxes exists for all tenants. One editor insists that only the Pitt Panther succession box should be removed because it falls under the authority of the College Football Wikiproject. No authority exists for any one Wikiproject nor does such a policy exist across Wikipedia. Removing the box leaves the Events and Tenants listing incomplete. Please leave your commentary about whether it is appropriate to remove the Pitt Panthers or other succession boxes for this article. CrazyPaco (talk) 23:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Agree: If the tenant in question has notability, which a Division I (or the era's equivalent of) college football program does, the succession box should remain. Kithira (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The editor has tried it once again, without consensus. CrazyPaco (talk) 06:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

alignment of lead with article

This article is in need of editing concerning its name and history. The lead says, "Recreation Park, originally known as Union Park," that it was originally called Union Park but at some point its name was changed to Recreation Park. The section on baseball says the complete opposite. It starts off by saying that before 1876 three clubs played at Recreation Park. Then in 1876 an Allegheny Club played at Union Park. That needs to be fixed.
I would also question the legitimacy of the terminology, "an Allegheny Club, which can be traced to the modern-day Pittsburgh Pirates..." Does this team have a name? If we don't even have a name for them then how can they be traced anywhere, let alone across a hundred and thirty years of baseball history? And since this is an article about the history of the park, not the team, all you've said is, "a team we don't know the name of played a game here in 1876" which doesn't add anything at all to the history of the park. It might be a useful addition to the article on the history of the Pittsburgh Pirates, but it says nothing at all about the history of this park. Cottonshirtτ 02:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)