Talk:Red-necked grebe

GA Review

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Another great article, with once again fabulous images. I've made a couple of minor changes, but otherwise I have no hesitation passing this. I notice that White-breasted Nuthatch is at FAC, but I would suggest heading to FAC with this one too, perhaps via a WP:PR to get some more in-depth analysis. Best of luck with the article. Another great job.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Peanut4 (talk) 22:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

first cut at revised WP:LEDE

...revised/reorganized the WP:LEDE. This resulted in four paragraphs, which i believe is a mechanical violation of WP:MOS. I... think MOS is subject to WP:IAR, but am open to improvements on new lede. Ling.Nut ^(WP:3IAR) 06:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Wintering bird sand oil spills: speculation.

This was just removed

Wintering birds could be affected by future oil spills at sea, although during this season the species is widely scattered along coasts, so the effects of oil spills are likely to be small.

1. Ok, it is speculation, but is the speculation part of the paper? Or is it speculation by the wikiwriter?

speculation by the writer would be WP:OR - it's sourced -Jim

1. I think that 'this season' in the article refers to 'the winter' rather than 'this year'.

Can't find this - Jim

The whole of the last paragraph is a taken directly from the BirdLife fact sheet.

"Threats In North America the species is threatened by pollutants such as polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and other pesticides1 (e.g. DDT)4 which cause reduced reproductive success due to egg sterility and eggshell thinning1, 4. The species is also threatened by the modification and degradation of lakes and by human disturbance from water-based recreational activities1. It may also be threatened by future oil spills at sea during the winter (although during this season the species is widely scattered along coasts, so the effects of oil spills are likely to be small)1." (copyright violation?) Grantus4504 (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I've attributed it, please reword if you are still not happy. - Jim

References

Comments

• "On average, for each adult, 0.65 young birds are still alive in August, although the mortality rate for the adult is unknown."

survival figures will be more useful if the age of the bird is indicated, in August might work in some location where there is a clear start of breeding season-what is it in this case? (essentially "... still alive 3 months after hatching" or something like that would be more useful) Shyamal (talk) 02:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, done -Jim

• "Its wintering range is largely restricted to calm waters just beyond the waves around ocean coasts"

I suspect that "range" is usually used to indicate geographic distribution, but here it is being used to indicate habitat characteristics. Shyamal (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, changed - Jim

Range map

Colours on map do not appear to follow WP:Birds guidelines. What is the preferred colours for the ranges? Should there be an all year round range? Snowman (talk) 17:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realise there were guidelines; does it occur all year round anywhere?

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Birds#Distribution_maps Yellow - summer, blue - winter, Green (=Yellow+blue) - all year. Shyamal (talk) 06:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll do that next time. It's not an FAC requirement to have a map, nor is the WP:BIRDS guideline binding with regard to MoS. I'd redo it if I had more time, but too busy at present. jimfbleak (talk) 06:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The map appears to be distorted with a different scale on the North-South axis and East-West axis. Snowman (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Changed to standard (WP:Bird) colours. Snowman (talk) 10:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

Apologies for late responses to the above, I've been concentrating on the FAC comment, overlooked these. jimfbleak (talk) 05:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This page

Does anyone see.... you know... anything wrong with it? Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 08:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Err, like what? Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I blame adware. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 18:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, you've lost me...Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

distribution map

Great article but ... Why does the map show the whole of the north sea as a winter ground? why not just the relevant coastlines? There's nothing out there except salt water. (same question applies to Korea, Japan et al) Chienlit (talk) 10:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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