Talk:Red (King Crimson album)

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"Red, was composed by Robert Fripp alongside a contrasting piece, Blue. Blue has never been recorded."

I can't find any information on this - can someone find something to back it up? Crtrue

Cobain quote

Can anybody reference it? evktalo 18:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

"Kurt Cobain told a French magazine in 1993 that Red had influenced the recording of Nirvana's In Utero (1993), particularly the distortion sounds and recording dynamics that were finally used." --66.106.60.11 16:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

He has also been quoted as saying that Red is the best album of all time, apparently. It could well be true; just needs a reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 22:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

This might the needed reference: it's an interview of Bill Bruford by a French website that specializes on metal and progressive rock. In the second-to-last question, the interviewer asks how Bruford feels about King Crimson's Red. Bruford replies:
"A very strong record, still good. I liked it a lot. This record influenced many other bands. King Crimson has always had more influence than its sales numbers would make you think. King Crimson isn't the kind of band that has commercial success, but we can boast of having created many vocations. Nirvana's Kurt Cobain always admired King Crimson and particularly Red. For my part, I also like this record very much because it's full of life, but it was a very difficult record to make."
(The translation is my own and is quite poor! Feel free to improve on it. The highlighting in italics is also my own) Pierremeg 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, classic Bill Bruford. He was born 18 years before Kurt and he's still living today... that's what I find ironic. Anyway, I don't speak French so maybe we could use BabelFish or something to translate this?--HisSpaceResearch 01:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I do speak French and that's a fair translation, in my opinion.

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I brought back some stuff about the production style from a previous version, still without a reference. I know both Fripp and Bruford consider Red's production a step forward. Fripp talks about it in the notes for The Night Watch live disc, and somewhere in the endless text on the Deja Vroom DVD, but I don't have either of these at the moment. I don't remember where I heard Bruford say it- he gives a lot of interviews for a Crimsoner.

I removed the bit about Christgau for two reasons. First off, Christgau is a terrible source of insight into progressive rock. He hated it in general, and if you read his review for Red in particular, he likes the album for the most superficial reasons. Praising King Crimson for appeasing Christgau is like praising Allende for being Kissinger's favorite communist. If that strikes you as too subjective, consider what makes Christgau's praise notable. What we would like to establish is that Red is an especially well-regarded album. That Christgau gave it a good, but not great, grade shows that one (prominent) critic thought Red was okay, not that anybody thinks it is outstanding. Christgau's views would be fair to include in a broader discussion of Crimson's critical reception, but here I don't think it adds anything. No hard feelings, though- I do think it is an interesting trivium. Nigel Napalm 13:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Point about name

I removed following text from the article, as it was a discussion: "Marc Charig's name has been spelt incorrectly on the sleeve, CD and vinyl, of "Red" and, hence, on this site. It should be spelt as credited on King Crimson's albums "Lizard" and "Islands", which is MARK Charig." The author of this text may well be correct though. Someone? Wurdnurd (talk) 21:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The author of this text was also certainly me. Mark Charig's name has been consistently mis-spelt on as Marc Charig on "Red" on all releases. It wasn't intended as a discussion, but as a note to correct information on the album sleeve. Checking anywhere on the 'net will confirm this. Also, I e-mailed Mr Charig several years ago about the matter, and he is aware of this discrepancy.

Taff Hewitt, 0005 (GMT), 24th January 2023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:7556:1701:558C:C86B:7CF2:8522 (talk)

LP banding

On the LP, there is a slight discrepancy in how "Starless" is presented. The jacket and the label both list it as a single 12-minute track, but the groove is separated into two bands between the vocal and instrumental sections. Richard K. Carson (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Claim that lyrics weren't printed before the year 2000?

The last paragraph of the section titled "Writing and recording" claims that the album's lyrics have never been printed before the year 2000. However, I recently bought a 1974 Japanese pressing of Red, which has a custom printed insert that includes lyrics to all three vocal songs on the album. The lyrics on this insert are incorrect in several places, but it nevertheless provides evidence contradicting the claim that lyrics were never printed. I'm not very experienced in making substantial edits on Wikipedia, but I thought I'd at least flag the fact that lyrics for this album have in fact been printed prior to the year 2000.

Good point, but it's pretty standard for Japanese releases to include lyrics, and often badly guessed ones at that. So I think this can be set aside. Something else I find interesting but isn't mentioned in the article is the artwork alluding to With The Beatles... Jules TH 16 (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Release date?

According to this article from the band's offical website, which did not credit a writer, Red was release on 1 Octorber 1974. https://dgmlive.com/tour-dates/1975?year=1974&sessions=on

But according to this article also from the band's offical website, which was written by KC's official biographer Sid Smith, Red was Release on 6 October 1974. https://www.dgmlive.com/news/on-this-date-41-years-ago-061015

Which one should we use? 59.153.220.93 (talk) 10:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)