Talk:Reddy (surname)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Don't add non-notables

New article is created. Add only the most prominent persons. Trivial names will attract deletion of the whole article. Users may create new articles.Kumarrao (talk) 07:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That looks good. Kumarrao (talk) 13:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the page is good now. Should the chief ministers of AP be added? Itsmejudith (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if we are wasting our time editing this article. Inspite of well-meant advice, users include the names of all Tom, Dick and Harrys. Of course, this comment does not pertain to AP Cheif Minister.Kumarrao (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion?

What are the criteria for inclusion here? I see a lot of redlink and non-link entries. Shouldn't these be removed?—C45207 | Talk 00:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No one has commented, so I'm going to go ahead and remove the redlink entries.—C45207 | Talk 20:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

A while ago, I removed the non-linked entries and the redlinked entries [1]. They have been restored. What should the criteria for inclusion be for this list? I say an article that we can link to.—C45207 | Talk 03:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Most of the entries in the list has no wiki-articles, wikipedia is not the directory to add each and every reddy's. the list should include only the notable ones who have wiki-articles about them. if not, there should be some sources to establish notability about them. but i don't see any references in this list. also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lists#Listed_items C21K^talk 12:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems like only the following entries should be included:

• ones with a Wikipedia article and
• ones that have a verifiable claim of notability.

I'm going to remove entries that don't meet these criteria.—C45207 | Talk 02:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

waht about the RED REDYS ? Like Chandra Pulla Reddy,Kondapalli Sitaramaya,Puchala Palli sundara Rami reddy( sundaraya ). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.219.62 (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Inclusion of persons without individual WP articles of their own

The list is impressive. However I am of the opinion that each and every entrant into this list does not have to have a separate WP article of their own. This is because in some instances WP will reject and some articles will be deleted on the grounds of non-notability and non-encyclopedic content. However I still feel that wherever the notability and the relevance arises, an article should be created for that person. Just that it should not be mandatory to have a article for every listing in this list. For example for someone like YSR, yes the notability is fairly high so one can create an article ( in this case an article on YSR already exists). But for example if there is a person who is a minor artist/movie artist, it is not necessary that it warrants a separate article. Not to sound condescending but an encyclopedia is not a place where every tom, dick and harry is listed. That would be a database/directory. Wikipedia is a encyclopedia and not a database or directory. So have a article where the notability is high or else just add it to this list as a black-ink entrant. If readers are so interested, they can always look the person up on the internet/google. This is much better than creating an article for every person on this list just for the sake of creating an article which quite frankly is a farce. It also takes up unnecessary space and there is absolutely no encyclopedic relevance as well. Foodie 377 (talk) 11:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Dacoits of AP

Dear Foodie Fool, Yes I am a fat Brahmin, descendent of my forefathers who inseminated your ancestors and created a few fair skinned samples in your Kapu (reddy) population. You are imagining Kshatriya ancestry by looking at those specimens among you. You were all toiling Dravidian farmers, some of whom got a title "Reddy" by serving as feudal chiefs. A few of those title holders lorded over a few districts (hardly 80 years) and later became slaves to Golkonda sultans, colluded with them, grabbed Jagirs and enslaved poor people (all over Telangana). You shamelessly style yourselves as Rajahs. Shame on you!! The backward nature of Telangana is solely because of your loot and plunder (major part going to your Nizam master). Your Kapu brethren in Rayalaseema, who also had Reddy title, served Raya kings like slaves, although they opposed the unifying efforts of Vijayanagar kings. The fragmentation of Telugu land was solely because of your rivarly with Velamas and Raya kings. Another historical crime you guys commited!! In modern times, you donned Gandhi cap and strated looting AP as contractors and ended up as master dacoits of Andhra (YSR, Jagan, Gali etc., are shining examples of your avarice and loot). People who survived with great difficulty in arid climes of Andhra are the filthy rich of AP now, simply because of your plunder of AP that started with Sanjiva Reddy and continuing unabated. This perfidy cannot last long. Beware!!!!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.236.4 (talk) 12:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hahahhahahaa. You are just pathetic with your blatant hatred towards Reddys.Foodie 377 (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes. The whole state of AP except you looters have become pathetic with the plight you inflicted on them. You dacoits go laughing all the way to Swiss banks trampling on the common man whom you plunder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.235.93 (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding most of the above threads

Sorry, folks, but it is not good enough just to have blue links. The claim that they are of the Reddy caste must be verified either here or in those bluelinked articles. More, if they are still alive then they must self-identify. Bearing the name "Reddy" is insufficient and this has been discussed at numerous similar lists. - Sitush (talk) 14:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

What nonsense. you are being absurd with your edits. You did the same with list of kammas. You are spoiling good info. Many ppl see these lists. most ppl who see these lists are indians and locals and anyone would know these are genuine. There is no caste certificate or ID issued in India. So how do you expect to get that info. I think you have lost it and becoming a nutcase. When I have the time, I will post a thread about you and your nutcase edits in WP:INDIA ANI. Foodie 377 (talk) 14:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Foodie 377, but WP:NLIST and WP:V are policies, which means that there must be a reliable source verifying that the person is 1) important, and 2) fits relevant criteria for the list. Additionally, many editors, including both Sitush and myself, consider caste to be near enough in nature to ethnicity and religion to also fall under WP:BLPCAT, which means that the people must self-identify as Reddy and it must be in some way relevant to what makes them notable. You don't have to like the policy, but if you want to include more people, you must follow that policy or seek to get it changed. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

This and other discussions in the archives at WT:INB may assist. Then again, they may just further confuse! - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The views of User:Sitush and Qwyrxian are valid although uncomfortable. It is extremely difficult to provide citation for caste affiliation. Common parlance is the only plank to fall back upon but not acceptable. This is more so in the case of heterogenous social groups such as Reddy and Kapu (Telaga, Balija, Munnuru Kapu) which are not monolithic but vary with geography. The title Reddy is used by many social groups such as Kapu, Balija, Yadava, Kamma, Velama and some hill tribes, although not very frequently. As a matter of fact, a social group such as Reddy did not exist till five decades back, although the title "Reddy" was very old that figured in inscriptions since 7th-8th century. Kapu was the affiliation given by all old timers in their official certificates. Telugu literature of Vijayanagar times also referred the farmers of Rayalaseema as Kapus. The rulers of Addanki and Kondavidu refeferred themselves belonging to Panta vamsa which is known popularly as Panta Kapu. The social groups such as Kamma, Velama and Raju consolidated themselves by medieval times (11th century) although there was considerable horizontal movement among themselves. Kamma and Velama were of the same origin but bifurcated due to unknown reasons. Badabanala Bhatta prescribed surnames and Gothras for them. Hence, it can be safely said that these two groups crystallized by 12th century. One cumbersome way to provide citations is to mention surname and gothra for each person, which are group specific and published in a book. I do not know if Wiki accepts this formula.Kumarrao (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 October 2012

would like to add

Hind Rattan Award

MYAKALA RAJIREDDY NRI Welfare society of India, New Delhi

Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel Life Time Achievement Award

MYAKALA RAJIREDDY Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel Foundation New Delhi 90.192.30.93 (talk) 17:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done:. This list should only include people who already have Wikipedia articles and meet the notability criteria in their own right. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 March 2013

please include dr.ys rajashekar reddy Cheif minister from cuddapa in politicians 112.79.43.192 (talk) 13:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source that verifies that he self-identifies as a member of the Reddy caste. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2015

Please add Dr. C. Narayana Reddy to the Awardees list of Padma ViBhushan and Padma Shree. Also, Dr. C. Narayana Reddy has been awarded the second highest Civilian award of India, the 'Jnanpith Award'. Please add that to the existing list. References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Narayana_Reddy#Personal_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnanpith_Award#Jnanpith_Award_recipients Anvesh11 (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Unfortunately Wikipedia does not cite itself, you will need to find reliable sources from the outside to get this change done. Thanks! Kharkiv07^Talk 01:51, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

List or Disambig page?

TheRedPenOfDoom made a valid point on the main article page - if this is only to be a list of people with the surname Reddy, then it should be made into a disambig page. If, as I originally tried (and was reverted by Kautilya3), it is to be a page of Indian people with the surname of Reddy (as the wikilink demonstrates, it is an Indian caste), then it should be more clearly stated in the lead. Primefac (talk) 14:16, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

It is not clear to me why something should be a list or a disambiguation page. This page is clearly a list. It is not meant to be a disambiguation. Neither does it document a caste. It belongs to category "list of people with surnames" (or something like that) where there are loads of other such pages. It is partly owned by the Anthroponymy project, which is in charge of these kind of pages/lists. It looks like a well-established thing to do this. I am not sure what the issue is. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

See this, which TRPoD has not yet responded to, although they have been editing. I'll emphasise something here because it looks like some people do not get it: this is not and cannot be a list of members of a caste. Well, not unless it is dramatically pruned and the article title is changed - see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. - Sitush (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

How about retitling it as "List of people with surname Reddy"? That would make it clearer that we are not claiming any caste stuff. Kautilya3 (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I tried something similar to that title elsewhere a few months ago and it was reverted. As I said on TRPoD's talk page, I think the entire situation is rather "meta" and should be discussed at a more central venue. Village Pump might be an option for that. - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2016

115.98.134.165 (talk) 11:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC) y s raja shakar reddy (cheifminister ap ) y s jagan mohan reddy ( leader of opposition ap)

Not done: Subject needs an article on Wikipedia before we add him to the list. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done Added them. - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2016

Umesh Reddy Ajithkumar23 (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

•  Done Primefac (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016

203.191.35.24 (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done. If there is an article on the person, that is evidence of notability. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2017

SURAVARAM PRATAP REDDY is a renowned TELUGU POET, FOUNDER EDITOR OF 'GOLKONDA PATRIKA' a telugu paper in which he criticized NIZAM. My request you to include his name in POET and I am attaching a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suravaram_Pratapareddy. 117.221.193.172 (talk) 13:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the suggestion! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2017

Please Remove " Umesh Reddy - serial Killer" from the OTHERs list because its disgusting to see such a person among the elite. Ramanapradeep (talk) 17:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is NOTCENSORED. Primefac (talk) 17:29, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2017

Ajithkumar23 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

[Umesh Reddy] --serial rapist

Done Primefac (talk) 17:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

Add Cingireddy Narayana Reddy, Cattamanchi Ramalinga Reddy under poets/writers. Add the only Indian Turing Award winner Raj Reddy under a new section Academics. Add Anji Reddy under industrialists. Nagi Reddy (Vijaya Movies, Chandamama fame) under Movies section. Add Pratap C Reddy under entrepreneurs (Appollo hospital chain). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.23.79 (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

These entries have previously been removed because they violated our policies. In particular, we need verifiability and in the case of living people that means verified self-identification by them. Such verifications didn't exist at the time of removal but if you now have some sources that fit this purpose then please do let us know what they are. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Why not take down the whole article then? I don't see any references for any of the existing entries. Some of the people mentioned in the article are far less important / inspiring than those I listed. You seem to be unfamiliar about the Caste discourse in India. There is no offical certificate given out to people born in a certain caste. Caste doesn't play any role in public life (though it plays a prominent role in marriages, communities) so there is no reason why a person would publicly self-identify as belonging to a particular caste. I don't see single citation for any of the notable Brahmins in List of Brahmins article. It's not even locked like this page. Why then is this special discrimination for this article? 14.139.97.79 (talk) 18:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Sitush/Common#Castelists explains the principles. Yes, there are entries here and at other lists that should be removed. Rome was not built in a day. - Sitush (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The fact that all these persons use 'Reddy' as their surname is enough to prove that they aren't dissociating themselves from their caste (unlike Amitabh, whose case you mentioned). A person's caste is a hereditarily acquired thing as opposed to say religious affiliation which we can't assume unless the person is a known adherent to the belief system. In that respect caste is similar to ethnicity. Doesn't it sound ridiculous if I question the inclusion of Michael Jackson's African American ethnicity simply because he never publicly self-identified as African American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.19.16.79 (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, should we add Helen Reddy, given that she clearly associates herself by her name? - Sitush (talk) 19:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about Indians who use Reddy surname here. People can easily figure out that Helen Reddy doesn't belong to this group given the disambiguation page. Let me get a bit offtopic here and explain to you why I'm so intent on adding these entries. Whether or not we like it caste based politics is a ground reality in India and various castes often compete with each other to portray their caste as a victim of discrimination and thus claim that they have been historically denied opportunities (to benefit from affirmative action schemes). In the state Tamil Nadu even rich land owning communities succeeded in getting themselves unfarily listed under backward classes. Given that there are so many people in 'Reddy' community who have had opportunities to rise economically, politically they can no longer claim to be backward. These lists are not just silly scoring points, as you seem to think, but they document, illustrate the crucial information about the historical socio-economic status of a caste in the society. I'm pretty new to all this editing business so I request you to provide my version to whoever determines the policy of including / excluding caste information. 14.139.97.79 (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Policy on Wikipedia is determined by consensus, not by any one individual. As a general rule, I'd advise you not to approach editing here with some sort of real-world agenda, other than that of improving the encyclopedia. It is far too easy to get drawn into accusations of having a conflict of interest or failing to edit neutrally.

I was well aware that the Helen Reddy example was ludicrous but that was actually my point. Even in India, you have no way of knowing that just because someone's last name is "Reddy" that means they are of the Reddy community or desire to be of it. People usually use last names because they are given them, most commonly as an accident of birth. Basing stuff on their last name is original research and we are not allowed to do that on Wikipedia.

However, I think the solution here is to get a third party involved, even though I know exactly what the outcome has to be because all the things that you are saying are identical to numerous other occasions when this issue has been raised for various lists of castes. We have various dispute resolution methods here and I am loathe to suggest one because I've had people accuse me of making biassed suggestions in the past. Would you like to choose a method? - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's a third opinion: 14..., if you don't like the rule that requires verification, you will need to propose that the rule be changed. The rule itself is WP:NLIST, which is a part of [[WP:Notability (people}]]. The correct place to start such a discussion would thus be on WT:Notability (people). You should note, though, that this is a fairly long-standing policy, built on a combination of our core policies of requiring verification of claims (WP:V) and our extra-stringent rules on living people (WP:BLP). I'm not sure you'll have much success, but you're welcome to try. It would be nice if you notify us here if you do attempt such an argument; I, for one, would strongly oppose any change to WP:NLIST. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Please add that the surname Reddy is found mostly in County Kildare, Ireland. They have no links to India and the surname Reddy is also found in Scotland Jim97 (talk) 11:35, 11 March 2017 (UTC)