Talk:Relic

Chronicon Paschale

I added the caveat for the Chronicon Paschale. When it comes to Zoroastrianism, material even a few decades old cannot be trusted, let alone the Chronicon Paschale or Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913. There are sites of pilgrimage, but I would hesitate to call anything therein a "relic" per se. Khirad 13:37, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Sale of relics

I have reverted an edit regarding sale of third-class relics. In the link to Roman Catholic canon law which I provided, it is specifically stated that the sale of any relic, regardless of class, is not permissible. CarolineWalters 17:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

How did this article get hijacked?

How did this article get hijacked? Before I went on holidays this was a general article on relics - now it has been purged of everything except Christian relics. I will do my best to restore it over the next few days to a more balanced and comprehensive article. Help from others would be appreciated. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I have just restored some sections and also tried to place the sections in roughly chronological order and made a few small corrections and qualifications. The article still needs some more work, though - but I am too busy at the moment to do it. BTW it was user IP: 70.245.67.225 who was the vandal who removed the sections on Muslim and Buddhist relics in June. John Hill (talk) 08:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Relic

I would like Wikipedia to find out the authencity of the section which covers St. Francis Xavier's hemerus as on display in Macao. How could this be true when St. Francis Xavier's whole body has been kept in Goa, India? Every 20-25 years, the casket containing St. Francis Xavier's whole preserved body are being open for public veneration!! Please verify this information and then make appropriate corrections. I certainly do not wish others to be misinformed about this great piece of the history of St. Francis Xavier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.168.156 (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Good question. According to the article Francis Xavier, the body is not intact:

...The body is now in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Goa, where it was placed in a glass container encased in a silver casket on 2 December 1637.

The right forearm, which Xavier used to bless and baptize his converts, was detached by Pr. Gen. Claudio Acquaviva in 1614. It has been displayed since in a silver reliquary at the main Jesuit church in Rome, Il Gesù.

Another of Xavier's arm bones was brought to Macau where it was kept in a silver reliquary.

Hope this helps. --CliffC (talk) 03:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

How can one prove the authenticity of a relic - especially one hundreds of years old? Surely this is usually impossible and one either believes the account of the church in question or one does not. John Hill (talk) 08:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Authenticity, and proof thereof, is is modern preoccupation - for the faithful, the point of a relic is the validation of faith, not the testing of it. Or in other words, don't worry about the details. PiCo (talk) 06:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

As a medievalist, (being a thread necromancer now), this really was the last of anyone's worries, and especially in terms of the market for reliquaries. I'm sure in all contexts, this remains relevant, as the idea is more in the spiritual and venerational sense more than reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladysif (talk • contribs) 04:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Request for section about authentication

It would be helpful if this article had a section about how relics are authenticated as well as a history on the trade of them (which prompted the church ban on selling them). Thanks.Americasroof (talk) 05:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Anglicans

Do Anglicans use relics? Since they are similar to Roman Catholicism I was wondering if any churches do.. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Images

This article had some serious graphics clutter. In addition, the two images at the top were not strong visual leads into the article. I moved up an image that's more 'readable.' Although the Grapevine Cross is perhaps most striking graphically, I hesitated to display a cross at the top of an article about many faiths. I also created a gallery to deal with the visual traffic jam. I'll look over the article more closely to see whether these should be rearranged further, as I may not have chosen the best placement in relation to text. Cynwolfe (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

list of relics

The (strangely short) list of relics should probably be a separate list, if it's developed to a sufficient length to better reflect the number of relics. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

And if such a list were to be created, it should be by religion such as List of Christian relics. Cynwolfe (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Catholic churches

I have heard that relics are placed in most or all Roman Catholic churches when they are constructed or consecrated, but this is not mentioned in the article. Is this true or a myth? If true, the article should include some information on the practice. Beorhtwulf (talk) 22:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

That is true, and the same with Orthodox churches. We keep relics in the altars of our churches. I attend Saint Raphael the Archangel Catholic Church, and we have 1 relic in the main altar and 2 in the Mary altar. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

relics and smell

New paper on the importance of the smell of relics:

The Smell of Relics: Authenticating Saintly Bones and the Role of Scent in the Sensory Experience of Medieval Christian Veneration.©Geni (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

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Relics with water and vodka

Antonio Possevino:

«The only cures for the sick they know are drinking mulled wine or water into which relics of saints have been dipped, sprinking holy water, or making vows» The Moscovia of Antonio Possevino, S.J.: Translated with a Critical Introduction and Notes by Hugh F. Graham p.54 // University Center for International Studies University of Pittsburgh 1977. ISBN 0-916002-27-6

Possevino, original: «Aegroti vix ullum remedium adhibent, quam vel cremati vini, vel aquae, in quam Sanctorum reliquias imposuerint potum» Historiae Ruthenicae scriptores: exteri saeculi XVI, 1842. — P. 280

Adam Olearius:

«They often give patients water or vodka into which they have dropped the relics or bones of saints» The Travels of Olearius in Seventeenth-century Russia / Adam Olearius, Samuel H. Baron // Stanford University Press, 1967 ISBN 0804702195, 9780804702195

Olearius, original: «Sie pfiegen auch die reliquien oder Knochen der Reiligen ins Wasser oder Brandwein zu tauchen daß der Krancte darvon trinctet» Adam Olearius, Ausführliche Beschreibung Der kundbaren Reyse Nach Muscow und Persien, So durch gelegenheit einer Holsteinischen Gesandschaft aus Gottorf auß an Michael Fedorowitz den grossen Zaar in Muscow, und Schach Sefi König in Persien geschehen, Holwein, Schleßwig, 1663. — P. 384 -- Iskatelb 21:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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