Talk:Religion in France
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OUTDATED data?, Not exactly.
editUser:Lic. Carlos most statistics put the percentage of Catholics between 48% to 60%, Here is a Example
the date of the 2019 Eurobarometer simply does not fit with that of the past years, The Ipsos Group is a global market research from France[note 1] I agree that the Eurobarometer is generally a good source, I liked that you added it, but you can't just remove the other statistics because you considered it outdated.(The Sr Guy (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)).
- ^ see for Exaple Religion in Argentina, this article uses data from the National Scientific and Technical Research Council a Argentine government agency which says that 62% of the population of Argentina is Catholic[8], this is very different from The World Factbook (CIA) that says the percentage of Catholics is actually 92%[9].
You say:
"...the date of the 2019 Eurobarometer simply does not fit with that of the past years, The Ipsos Group is a global market research from France[note 1] I agree that the Eurobarometer is generally a good source, I liked that you added it, but you can't just remove the other statistics because you considered it outdated..."
Actually it was you who distorted the chronology of surveys by adding pie charts with data already present in the article text itself, I did not "remove" any statistics, you distorted the chronology claiming that a survey from 2017 was more valid than the one of Eurobarometer with data collected only months ago (year 2019). Here you do not mention the Pew Research Center survey you tried to make believe was from 2018 with the argument that it was not "outdated". Pew Research Center surveys are very uneven, some are good and proffesional, others not. Anyway, in order to settle this issue, you can keep your two pie charts in the page, but respect the chronology of surveys. The colour for Catholics is also too dark, I prefer DarkOrchid to avoid confusion with the black for non-respondents.--Lic. Carlos (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I really thought it was 2018 sorry ;-;. let's leave the article as it is now, I just didn't like that you removed the Pie chart from Ipsos. (The Sr Guy (talk) 20:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)).
Separating "Christianity" section
editThis article is getting bigger and thus the "Christianity" section is long enough to have its own article. I will move the contents to "Christianity in France. Sesroh Fo Maerd I (talk) 19:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
References
edit- ^ "État des lieux de la laïcité en France" (PDF). Observatoire de la Laïcité. January 2019.
- ^ Eurobarometer 90.4: Attitudes of Europeans towards Biodiversity, Awareness and Perceptions of EU customs, and Perceptions of Antisemitism. European Commission. Retrieved 9 August 2019 – via GESIS.
- ^ "Religion en entreprise: des conflits rares mais en légère hausse, selon une enquête". La Croix (in French). 2018-09-26. ISSN 0242-6056. Retrieved 2019-04-08.
- ^ "Spring 2017 Survey Data | Pew Research Center". Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project. Retrieved 2018-10-23.
- ^ Les protestants en France en 2017 Ipsos.
- ^ "Being Christian in Western Europe" (PDF). Pew Research Center. 2018.
- ^ "France". The World Factbook.
- ^ Segunda Encuesta Nacional Sobre Creencias y Actitudes Religiosas en Argentina 2019
- ^ "Argentina". The World Factbook (2024 ed.). Central Intelligence Agency. – in People and Society section – see also Religions – Argentina
Eurobarometer
editHello, I'd thought I'd just warn people on here to not revert the edit I made about the Eurobarometer citation because I read through the whole thing, and there was no evidence of France's opinion on God and Life Force. The polls provided with these options was not France and the whole survey was about what religious leaders are doing to impact society, whether it's been positive or negative. That was the main article, not debating on an existence of a life force or deity. In future, please, please be careful when giving out this information as you could always end up with misconceptions and misunderstandings, which would then lead to disagreements. Please read the citation properly first before adding it to the page. I hope everyone understands. MountainLaurel88 (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Politics in Paganism
editThe long paragraph about the Nouvelle Droite in Paganism seems to be undue weight, relevant for a different article. No other denomination's section is given a long paragraph about an extremist fringe, and here it has no balancing with other more common beliefs. If included it would require a balanced overview of all political groups in Paganism too - which is likely beyond the scope of this article, if the other denominations are to be used as example. Does anyone contest or have an alternative solution? Vaurnheart (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
"Oriental Orthodoxy in France" listed at Redirects for discussion
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Oriental Orthodoxy in France. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 24#Oriental Orthodoxy in France until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Veverve (talk) 00:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The No Religion merger is as biased as the hypernymization of religion in the article
editcorrect the title: Metaphysical worldviews in France
editseparate non-religion to:
- atheism (focused on negation)
- physicalism, logicalism, logical positivism, metaphysical naturalism (focused on affirmative understanding of important causal procedures: quantum foundations, abiogenesis, abiogenesis, personhood in philosophy, neuroscience and AI)
- agnosticism
- general irreligion
- metaphysical indifference (agnosticism isn't that; it's a view)
The undeclared view already exists.
Religion isn't the most inclusive hypernym.
Physicalism (Deutschian/ David Deutsch's physicalism, logicophysicalism and not mind-monism philosophical physicalism which starts correctly but may have too many interpretational multifurcations)/atheism aren't...
I return to the subject: Physicalism/atheism aren't religions. They don't include violations of rigorous causality and procedurality (that impossibility = unteachable, unreachable and fundamentally without rigorous attributes; it doesn't meet the axiomatic prerequisites for physical foundations = that impossibility is the supernatural).
Physicalism/atheism are metaphysical worldviews.
Religions also are metaphysical worldviews.
The term metaphysical worldview is hypernymic to physicalism/atheism and supernaturalism/religion.
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According to Bertrand Russell atheism is rationalist agnosticism (because knowledge is infinite). Rationalist agnosticism (versus general agnosticism [open to logicalism/atheism and illogicalism/supernaturalism/religion]) recognizes the necessity of logic in the physical foundations and the foundations of everything that exists. Thus we have the duty to represent communities with different opinions.
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