Talk:Remembrance Day/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Earlier discussion

This is not a correct sentence:

"(possibly upon the suggestion of Edward George Honey though Wellesley Tudor Pole, who established two ceremonial periods of remembrance based on events in 1917).[1][2]"

Either "though" should actually be "through", or the sentence is missing something, or ", who" should be deleted.

02:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure it is Veterans day in the UK - I'm pretty certain it's Remembrance day or Armistice day. Certainly, it has always been Armistice day to me. What do other Brits think?

Remembrance Day. We don't have a Veterans Day in the UK (though this may change in the future) --mgaved 22:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

One big article

I say Armistince day, poppy day, rememberance day and veterans day all be merged into one article with different sections for each. Its all the same.

I disagree: In the context of Canada, Remembrance Day is an official Holiday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.105.187 (talk) 18:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

77.228.180.3 (talk) South Africa should not be classed under the Commonwealth as it is not part of it. —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

South Africa is indeed part of the Commonwealth; they rejoined in 1994. See: South Africa. - chicgeek ^talk 17:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Older comment

"In South Africa, the day is not a public holiday. Commemoration ceremonies are usually held on the following Sunday, at which, as with Australia, the Last Post is played by a bugler followed by the observation of a two-minute silence."

It is also the custom in Britain. Last Post; silence; Reveille. Will add stuff.

Merge

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus.

Armistice Day contains similar info, as Remembrance Day, and Remembrance Day has better info. Armistice Day should be merged into Remembrance Day. Brian (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The article seems to be more "Remembrance Day in South Africa", could do with more general info. The laying of a wreath by the Queen in London should be mentioned for example. Might have a go later. - McClade

Strictly speaking, Armistice Day is the 11th November, whereas Remembrance Day is the closest Sunday. - RG

Not true. Remembrance Day is always November 11 (unless it's different where you live, in which case you should qualify your statement). BTW, I oppose the merge, because then logically we would have to merge the new article with Veteran's Day. Either we wish to separate different countries or not. In fact, I would separate Armistice Day from Remembrance Day as it is. Carolynparrishfan 14:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand how anybody could claim that this article seems to be "more 'Remembrance Day in South Africa'", when only two small paragraphs in the entire article are about its commemoration in SA. — Impi 12:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Reference for the Rememberance Day/Rememberance Sunday issue, although it still isn't particularly clear on the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/remembrance/history/silence_history.shtml

Yes, rememberance day is the second sunday in November

also the Island of Labuan War Memorial should be added. Mainly Australians would go to Labuan to remember commonwealth soldiers who died in Borneo/Labuan

Why not merge it with Veteren's Day? -dg

I wouldn't merge them, strictly speaking there are three different holidays, perhaps more depending on whether or not you define Armistice Day pre-1945 as a different holiday than Armistice Day post-1945 since they commemerate slightly different things.

Armistice Day commemerates the end of World War 1(1914-1918).

Remembrance Day commemerates the deaths of soldiers in the First and Second World Wars and depending on who you ask Korea -- at least in Canada.

Vetrans Day is a uniquely American form of this memorial.

I wouldn't use the three terms interchangably even though they are all essentially about the same thing. I think they should be cross-referenced and improved but I don't see them as identical. Gabe 16:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Gabe. Let each be developed according to its own special emphasis/nation of origin. User:Xrysostom 11 Nov 2005

1) Maybe, we should edit the articles, and use the Armistice Day article, for pre 1945, and use the Veteran’s Day, and Remembrance Day, for info after 1945 (after name change).

2) Or we could rename this article to Remembrance (Armistice) Day

3) 3) Or we merge all 3 articles in to one and have different sections, for what it’s called, in different countries, (i.e. and Remembrance Day, Armistice Day, Veteran’s Day)

As it stands at the moment, all 3 articles, have similar info (they just double up on each other) and Remembrance Day has better info. We should also add info on all countries that commentate, this day, and how they commentate it.

Info from the Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association website reads

After the Second World War, the name and date of Armistice Day was changed to  
Remembrance Day, now to be observed on the Sunday prior to 11 November (it was later 
transferred to the second Sunday in November). 

Since the 1990s the United Kingdom and many countries of the Commonwealth have 
increasingly returned to commemorate Armistice Day 11 November because the "eleventh 
hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" 

210.54.69.172 21:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with above comment to rename this article to Remembrance (Armistice) Day after articles are merged Brian (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

In fact there are four days involved here. Armistice Day, the old name for 11th November, which is enjoying a resurgence, which commemorates the end of WW1; Remembrance Day, again the 11th November, taking over from Armistice Day and commemorating ALL those who 'died for their country' or 'gave their lives for mankind'; Remembrance Sunday, which is the second Sunday in November and when the big remembrance ceremonies take place; Veterans' Day, which is an American thing, commemorating war veterans. They are all distinct. If you want to merge them, go ahead, but make sure you know they are four different things.

Stephen Clarke (Official Historian, Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association): I would prefer to see separate articles because while they have similar information they also have different information and meanings depending on the period and particular country.

The consensus is to keep separate articles, I will remove the tags. After reading, everyone’s views, I have to agree, to keep them separate. Brian (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I can see that this was resolved 2 years ago, but looking at the articles today it did strike me that the articles should be merged. The unsigned comment above is a useful summary of the link between the different days and their differences. This could be an introduction to a generic page, with sections for each day. I suppose the strangeness of having different pages is highlighted by the fact that in 2007 all four "days" fell today! 84.65.203.33 23:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been more than two months since this issue resurfaced, and the tags have not generated any new discussions. There was no consensus previously for the merge (or, at best, there was consensus for no merge). I am removing the tag and closing the discussion. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Poppy Day

Stephen Clarke (Official Historian, Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association):

I would prefer to see a separate article for "Poppy Day" rather than redirected to Remembrnace Day because Poppy Day in New Zealand, while it has similar origins to that of the United Kingdon, Canada, Unites States of America and Australia, was from the first Poppy Day in 1922 associated with ANZAC Day in April, which it continues to be associated usually being held on the Friday prior to ANZAC Day (25 April).

I understand that the Veterans of Foreign Wars in the United States which run the Buddy Poppy Appeal is mostly associated with Memorial Day in May.

Sentence about payment

I've removed this from the article:

"(Typically, these artificial poppies are given freely, though nearly all who accept them offer a small donation in return. One dollar is common in Canada.)"

This isn't true in the U.K.; I don't know about other countries. Here, the poppies are definitely sold. Is the "given away" a fiction in order to escape some legal issue? --Phronima 11:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

In the UK in the main, the poppies are given in exchange for VOLUNTARY donations. You CAN "buy" some more exotic types, with a percentage of the profits going to the relevant charities stated. This year (2007) Health and Safety issues have led to changes where the "street" poppies have now NOT to be supplied with the traditional integral pin, but with a flexible PLASTIC stem, and a seperate pin which may or may not be taken. This seems a little ironic, given that the people who are supposed to be benefitting had more than small pins used to endanger their lives during assorted conflicts around the world. 193.130.128.2 09:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC) Lance Tyrell

In my experience, in Northern Ireland for the past 30 years, and in England for the past 10 years, the poppies have had a plastic stem and separate pin. Though I think there was something in the media about poppy collectors being advised not to pin the poppy on to anyone in case of injury! (Can't vouch for this story) 84.65.203.33 23:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Well they're not really 'sold' in the UK, but given in exchange for a voluntary donation of any amount you feel comfortable with. Some people only add a few pence, others add pounds. I'm sure a few people pay nothing, if they're brave enough. Skittle 00:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

the removed statement is true about Canada.--Adam crymble 19:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

In Canada, Poppies are given away freely, with the expectation of a voluntary donation. They're not "sold" here either. Perfect Proposal ^{Speak out loud!} 01:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

In Canada, a few weeks before Remembrance Day old folks and cadets start showing up around commercial centres, holding little boxes full of artificial poppies. These poppies are distributed by the Royal Canadian Legion, who also solict them to store owners to leave on their counters, most of whom it seems agree. These boxes have a large space for poppies in the front, and a small change box in the back. Now, I'd assume that no one would call the police were you to just take one of these poppies. However, the large majority of people make a donation of their choice, which goes towards the Royal Canadian Legion, a society of war veterans and their families. Also, perhaps it should be noted, at least in the Greater Toronto Area, some people make a point of stealing these donation boxes, much to the dismay of decent people everywhere. So yes, the above statement about Canada is true, they can be distributed freely, though this is not a general practice as most people donate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.2.26 (talk) 16:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

People Against Global Imperialism

This article, and White Poppy (at least) have similar or identical sentences referring to this organization, which is not linked to its own article. Further, Google returns only 32 hits. I suggest this organization is not notable enough for a mention here or in White Poppy. It was added by darrelljon (talk · contribs · count) as can be seen here I suggest a cite, or failing that, a removal. ++Lar: t/c 14:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems like someone deliberately screwed up a sentence towards the end of the introduction.

"It is observed on You idiot Bobby Joeend"

Sorry, I don't have much experience editing Wiki articles, so I'll let someone else take the lead....

210.231.194.34 06:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)hotchailatte

Celebration

Is "celebration" the right word to use in this context? It features throughout the article, no doubt to avoid repetition of the seemingly more appropriate verb "to commemorate". Whilst it could be said that we celebrate the end of hostilities on Armistice Day, the contemporary focus of these days around the globe is to invite reflection on a tragic loss of life, not really a cause for celebration. Perhaps someone with a wider vocabulary than I could take this on... Dick G 12:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The only places I can find words containing 'celebr' refer to Veterans' Day in America and various festivals in other countries that fall at the same time. Is Veterans' Day celebrated or observed? Skittle 13:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It concerned me that "celebration" is the wrong term as well. I've taken the liberty of changing the wording from "Veterans Day is celebrated in the United States" to "Veterans Day is commemorated in the United States" - how do people feel about this? Any USians care to coment? what do you do on this day? --mgaved 17:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Terry Kelly?

Why is there a long two-three paragraphs about Terry Kelly? I would think this is an advertisement for Kelly's song, rather than having any real significant impact to Remembrance Day itself. It should not be in the article. --WongFeiHung 20:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Poppy Style????????????

In England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland the poppies are the flat Earl Haig variety with a leaf. Wearers require a separate pin to attach the poppy to their clothing.

What about Scotland? I am sure in Scotland the poopies are identical to the rest of the country! So why not change

In England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland the poppies... to In the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland the poppies... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.213.213.9 (talk • contribs)

I think what is being referred to is that in Scotland many poppies are this style , which is more symmetrical in shape to this (used in the rest of the UK and RoI) which has one half of the flower slightly bigger than the other, if you see what I mean? i.e. they are not the same in scotland. « Keith » 16:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Bugle Calls

The Rouse is often played in place of Reveille in remembrance day ceremonies, but is often called "Reveille". I have added a sentence to this end, and have added a wikipedia article on The Rouse to clear up any confusion.

Poppy

I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me with. I live in Canada and seem to remember that after 11:00 on November 11th, you are to remove your poppy out of respect for the fallen soldiers. Can anyone tell me if this is true?

Yes it is 100% true. In fact I just added a blurb on this before I read this talk entry.

Once this article is unlocked can someone add this back to the Canadian poppy section? It has been lost over time and IMO it is important, it should be added right after the part about how poppies are worn for two weeks.

"Etiquette specifies that the poppy is to be worn only up until the 11th hour - after which it should be removed, and preferably placed upon the grave of a solider, or if that is not possible be properly disposed of. The poppy should not be saved."

Not a "holiday"

The lead in para refers to RD as a "holiday" - it is isn't.--ukexpat 01:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed paragraph

I removed this uncited account of the origin of Remembrance day, which also gives a 'meaning' to the two different minutes. I might add bits back if I can find sources for them, but I couldn't right now and it seemed odd (and at odds with other bits of the article).

"The first minute of the two minutes of silence it to remember those who have died in battle, the second minute is to remember those who are still fighting. The two minutes of silence originated in South Africa during the last German offensive in 1918 when a bishop in Cape Town suggested a daily prayer to remember those fighting and those killed. This prayer was done daily. A couple weeks later, someone observed this and wired a description of it to London where spread throughout England and the rest of the world."

Also, we're getting a lot of petty vandalism (in the way of removals of random words and additions of stupid words) in the run-up to the day itself, so probably a good idea to keep an eye on the article over the next month. Skittle 15:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

According to The BBC,

"In a letter published in the London Evening News on 8 May 1919, an Australian journalist, Edward George Honey, proposed a respectful silence to remember those who had given their lives in the First World War. This was brought to the attention of King George V and on 7 November 1919, the King issued a proclamation which called for a two minute silence:

"All locomotion should cease, so that, in perfect stillness, the thoughts of everyone may be concentrated on reverent remembrance of the glorious dead."

According to the Australian Government,

"On the first anniversary of the armistice, 11 November 1919, the two minutes’ silence was instituted as part of the main commemorative ceremony at the new Cenotaph in London. The silence was proposed by an Australian journalist working in Fleet Street, Edward Honey. At about the same time, a South African statesman made a similar proposal to the British Cabinet, which endorsed it. King George V personally requested all the people of the British Empire to suspend normal activities for two minutes on the hour of the armistice "which stayed the world wide carnage of the four preceding years and marked the victory of Right and Freedom." The two minutes’ silence was popularly adopted and it became a central feature of commemorations on Armistice Day."

This at least gives an idea of what the removed section was talking about (the 'someone' probably being the un-named 'statesman' in the above source).

This is all I can find that seems vaguely reliable in the internet. I suppose I shall have to find some books *gasp* on the subject, since this could make an interesting section... Skittle 16:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

British terminology

Speaking as a Briton who has lived in the UK virtually his entire life, I feel it is factually inaccurate to claim that we make reference to 'Remembrance Day'. I have never heard this term used, save perhaps when considering Remembrance Sunday and the universal term I have encountered here is Armistice Day.--Breadandcheese 12:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can't get much more British than the BBC

Originally called Armistice Day, it commemorated the end of hostilities the previous year. .....After the end of the Second World War in 1945 Armistice Day became Remembrance Day to include all those who had fallen in the two World Wars and later conflicts.[1].

Maybe some people have a very long memory as it changed in 1945. Actually as a kid in the 60s we probably called it Poppy Day as a informal designation, and maybe my mother born in 1926 called it Armistice Day, probably as her father who server in WWI called it that. Otherwise in my experience the official terminology "Remembrance Day" for 11/11 is widely used. In any case we would need a WP:V source rather than our own observations to show the official terminology is not always used. Billlion 08:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I am also a Brit who has lived here nearly all my life. I have always thought that 11 November was Armistice Day (this does get discussed because it is also my wedding anniversary) and that the Sunday was Remembrance Sunday. Not until seeing this article this evening (my son had it open while researching for homework) have I ever heard either called "Remembrance Day". I have a recollection of the Sunday being called Poppy Day when I was a child (in the 1960s), but I assumed that was just a diminutive used by my parents for the benefit of us children. Dommar 20:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It could be that the official usage, for example by the armed services, government and British legion, Remembrance day for 11/11, is not always what ordinary people call it. But we would need to find some verifiable sources that support this. Perhaps UK newspapers still calling it Armistice day, or commenting on the different usage. Anyone found anything?Billlion 21:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually already found some

1. Worcester News "Police will stop Armistice Day traffic"
2. iccoventry Remembrance Day: Lest we forget...Nov 8 2007 By Barbara Goulden PARADES for Remembrance Sunday....The town's world-famous Armistice Day parade will not take place this year. Whenever Armistice Day falls on Remembrance Sunday, parade organisers in Bedworth stand aside and leave the day's events to the Royal British Legion. seems to support both usages but the "Armistice Day Parade" may specifically have kept its name.
3. CBBC News 11/11/2006 UK silence marks Armistice Day. Millions of people across the UK have taken part in a silence at 11am to remember people who died in wars. For two-minutes people stopped what they were doing to think about those who died as part of Armistice Day. So there the BBC is calling it Armistice day. On a linked page [2] The second Sunday of November is Remembrance Sunday, also known as Remembrance Day. And on [3]What is Armistice Day? Armistice Day is on 11 November

So I think I have to say I stand corrected, 11th Nov as Armistice day is still widely used in the media even by the BBC. Anyone feel like updating the aaricle. Also I think Dommar is right. It is the Sunday more likely to be Poppy day as that is when we left them at the war memorial Billlion 21:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Despite the name difference, it seems to me this could still be merged with Remembrance Sunday. --Padraic 23:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree Padraic (see my comment above under "merge"). In 2007 11 November was a Sunday which highlights the artificiality of having separate pages. I hadn't realised how vague we all are about the terminology until I read these articles. In the last 30-odd years in Northern Ireland I've only heard the word Armistice Day occasionally. We always said "Remembrance Sunday" (for the Sunday) and "Remembrance Day" or "the 11th of November" (for Armistice Day). I called today "Remembrance Day" but maybe that was because it's also 11th November. Even in primary school in the 80s we stood to attention for a minute (or was it two?) on 11th November, but I think doing that on Armistice Day had become less common in England until recently 84.65.203.33 23:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

To me, this discussion suggests that perhaps there should be no merger, but separate articles for the celebrations that occur in various countries. I don't know. There are clear similarities, but ovbiously different traditions and terminology. The difficulty of merging this article with Armistice Day or Remembrance Sunday is that a merge might make sense from the perspective of one country, but not really make sense to someone from another country. In any event, this discussion has been going around in circles for three years now, and we are not even close to consensus. Skeezix1000 (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I am British and I have only ever referred to it as Remembrance Day. Poppy day is heard too. Never armistice day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.228.180.3 (talk) 13:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Participation by royal family in Canadian Remembrance Day

The section on Canada is ambiguous as to how often members of the royal family are present for Canadian ceremonies; when un-addressed, this could give the impression that this is a regular occurrence, when in fact, it is incredibly rare. Does anybody have a number for how many times a royal has been around? --Padraic 16:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Members of the royal family have laid wreaths at the national war memorial, as recently as the Queen's Golden Jubilee tour of Canada in 2002. I've looked in vain to see whether or not a member of the royal family has laid the wreath specifically on Remembrance Day; but the protocol would be that the sovereign would lay the wreath instead of the Governor General, and I assume another member of the royal family would lay a wreath either alongside the GG or after the GG and before the Prime Minister. fishhead64 (talk) 03:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

If there isn't a source confirming the Royal Family have ever been present for the ceremony, I think the section could use a little re-wording to reflect that. --Padraic 21:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's a minor point - but since the section describes the protocol in the event a member of the Royal Family is present, I think alluding to the fact that they may never actually have been present on Remembrance Day is a little superfluous. But I won't die in the ditch over it. fishhead64 (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's minor -- I just think as written, it would give the impression (especially to a non-Canadian reader) that this is a common occurence. I'll try for a non-instrusive edit. --Padraic 04:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yom Hazikaron

Just a Question: Should the Israeli day of remembrance be included in this article? Oren neu dag (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

No it is not on the same day as the one in this article. It seems that there might be a case for a category, or a list of remembrance days for war dead, or something like that, so various ones can be linked together.Billlion (talk) 17:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hong Kong

I remember both anniversary of the liberation of Hong Kong and the Remembrance Day, before 1997, were both had events near to the Cenotaph, but former was a holiday. I am going to find source to write it.

Small Unoffical events were held since 1997. Matthew_hk tc 13:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Poppy day bombing

I think that a note should be added to the United Kingdom section mentioning the Ennislillen Poppy day bombing by the IRA

That was on Remembrance Sunday, not Remembrance Day. It's mentioned there. Though the article title is Remembrance Day bombing. jnestorius^(talk) 15:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Prior to rememberance day

I have heard that originally rememberance day was at Whitsun, but was changed on the orders of the king as it seemed inappropriate to celberate mouring the dead during a spring festival.

Can anyone shed light on this.

A line in a song suggests that ther was some form of ceremony at WHitsun but I can find no references to it. Please help.

Van Johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.190.209 (talk) 17:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection query

Hi, I am thinking of requesting semi-protection for this article in the runup to 11th November, because of the levels of anon vandalism it is now experiencing. I haven't analysed every recent edit but it looks like it's hitting around the 50% mark. Any views please? Thanks DBaK (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Fully agree... I have noticed the increase over the last few days! Farawayman (talk) 17:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response. Having no experience of this field myself, I'm grateful for your perception. For the same reason, I am going to try asking an admin who does this kind of work for an informal opinion, to try to see if it's a sensible proposition or likely to just get laughed out of court! Watch this space ... Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well done!! Farawayman (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. A nice helpful admin intervention. I hadn't realized but apparently it happens every year - obvious when I think about it! Cheers, DBaK (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

There is an error with regard to the Canadian provinces that observe it as a statutory holiday.

I am from Newfoundland and Labrador and I can assure you it is indeed a statutory holiday here as it has been for as long as I can remember. The only thing that has changed is that the holiday used to be observed on a Monday (the way Victoria Day is) whereas now the Remembrance Day holiday is always observed on the day that it falls (unless November 11th falls on a weekend, when the holiday is observed on Monday - like Canada Day.) According to the Gov't website, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia are the provinces that don't observe it as a Statutory holiday.Yourvoice (talk) 05:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Remembrance Day : federal jurisdiction, Alta., B.C., Sask., NWT., Nunavut, Yukon; also see note 7;

(7) Remembrance Day is not recognized as a general holiday in the labour/employment standards legislation of Manitoba and Nova Scotia. However, employees who meet qualifying requirements are entitled, if required to work on that day, to holiday pay and wages for no less than ½ the normal working hours in Manitoba and to another day off with pay in Nova Scotia.

http://www.rhdcc-hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/lp/spila/clli/eslc/27statutory_holidays_synoptic_table.shtml

In Canada Remembrance Day is a public holiday for federal government employees, private businesses, provincial governments and schools. Its status varies by province. For example, in Manitoba retail business is prohibited between 9am and 1pm on Remembrance Day, with exception to professional health services, goods or services relating to:

Living accommodation or prepared meals. Veterinary services. Drugs, medicines, surgical appliances, or infant formula. Gasoline, motor oil or related products. Or parts and services for emergency repairs to a vehicle. In Ontario, some employers give their employees a holiday on Remembrance Day. However, it is not a public holiday in Ontario under the Employment Standards Act. Remembrance Day is also not a statutory holiday in Quebec, although corporations that are federally registered may make the day a full holiday, or instead, designate a provincially recognized holiday on a different day. When Remembrance Day falls on a Sunday or Saturday that is a non-working day, workers are entitled to a holiday with pay on the working day immediately preceding or following the general holiday.

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/canada/remembrance-day

mapleleaf (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I live in Manitoba and all the kids get the day off of school, and most people get the day off. It's sort of treated as a Sunday actually. 24.76.44.78 (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ANZAC day link please

The Australian and New Zealand sections both reference ANZAC day. Could someone please make these into links to the wikipedia article Anzac_day? Thanks :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.88.21.170 (talk) 01:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Done, thank you. A couple of points:

• Some would argue that I've now overlinked it, as it was already linked from just a couple of lines above "Australia", and the policy is to link only first occurrences. See wp:overlink for more on this. However, it's a rule that has many exceptions and I agree that it's helpful to have this with the countries in this case, in case readers are just going straight to their country of interest and so miss the introductory matter... seems fair enough to me!
• You could make this change yourself. This article is protected at the moment (that is, unregistered users can't edit it for a few days because it gets hit by vandalism around 11/11) so you'd need to get an account (which is a good idea anyway), or wait a day or two till it's unprotected, but after that it's just a matter of editing the page and sticking [[pairs of square brackets]] round what you want to link. If you have a look at User talk:61.88.21.170 you'll see I've put in a welcome blurb there which has some useful links for how to get started. Happy editing! Best wishes,

DBaK (talk) 09:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

A proposition of an extension of the article (one paragraph)

2 Outside the Commonwealth: Poland (Put between "United States" and "Anglican and Roman Catholics")

National Independence Day (Polish: Narodowe Święto Niepodległości) is a public holiday in Poland celebrated every year on 11 November to commemorate the anniversary of Poland's assumption of independent statehood in 1918 after 123 years of partitions by Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Independence_Day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.51.165 (talk) 14:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation from Buckingham Palace NOV 10 1919

I'm not sure what I should do with this.... I have taken pics of an original invitation to Buckingham Palace for a Banquet held in honor of the President of the French Republic for the evening of Nov 10th 1919. This invitation would have been sent to every name mentioned inside it's 6 pages. (Approximately 100 invitations were sent out and approximately 100 guests and dignitaries were present on the eve of the First ever Armistice or Remembrance day of Nov 11th 1919).

I would like to post pics here but am wondering how to protect the images in order that 'a hundred invitations' don't show up on eBay all claiming to be the real thing. I am not so much worried about copyright as I am worried about people creating fake copies (for sale)

How can I work with Wikipedia to protect the contents of the image without distracting from the historical nature of the actual large format invitation?

I would like to show and/or exhibit the unmarked original pics of the invitation as part of Wikipedia but the historic and very rare nature of this document might lead some to copy it for unscrupulous reasons.

What avenues Can I explore here?

here's a link to watermarked images of the original invitation. http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa296/moefuzzz/WORLD%20WAR%201%20ARTIFACTS/

(hope the links works)

This is the Front page of the invitation... http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa296/moefuzzz/WORLD%20WAR%201%20ARTIFACTS/fe26c860.jpg

Please note, I have not and will not release unmarked large format photos for free use (anywhere) until I can be assured that nobody will be able to just print a 1000 off on there laser jet printers.

I do feel that the original unmarked pics (in high definition)would be a rather interesting addition to the remembrance day and armistice day pages and would therefor like to share.

Any guidance would be appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moefuzz (talk • contribs) 22:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it "the 11th hour" or 11am?

This article talk about "the 11th hour", but 11am has always been the observed moment.

• 1st Hour = 00:00 - 00:59
• 2nd Hour = 01:00 - 01:59

...

• 11th Hour = 10:00 - 10:59
• 12th Hour = 11:00 - 11:59

--Billpg (talk) 08:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

When the bell rings once, it marks the passing of the first hour. And/or when the cuckoo comes out and chirps eleven times, that marks the passing of the eleventh hour. Humans tend to mark events which have already passed, especially on Remembrance Day. Franamax (talk) 08:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but then the text in the main article should read "at the end of the 11th hour" or "just after the 11th hour", rather than "at the 11th hour". --Billpg (talk) 08:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

"Eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" is the vernacular and seems approprite for the lead section. The precise timing is actually specified in the "Observance in the Commonwealth" section. Franamax (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it's just a common expression. I've made an edit putting "at the..." in quotes and added a note clarifying what is meant by that expression rather than what the literal interpretation would lead the reader to believe. --Billpg (talk) 23:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

The Last Post and the definite article

What's up with this article just using "...Last Post..." rather than "...the Last Post...", e.g., in the Australia section it says "...at which "Last Post" is sounded by a bugler". I don't know about elsewhere, but in Australia the definite article is always used, as it is throughout the Last Post article itself. I'm changing it in the Australia section - awaiting feedback for elsewhere. --jjron (talk) 07:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's a hotly contentious issue but I think it's possible that "Last Post" is technically correct whereas the "The" is a common usage (in which case we should quite possibly have it anyway!) It's entirely possible that the actual title of the piece is "Last Post" but I honestly don't know that it matters that much. Handel didn't actually write a piece called "The Messiah" but no-one has died in the "The Wars" over it. We do have a tendency to rather like things to have a "the" in whether they need them or not but, like I say, common usage ... possibly vs what is technically correct. There's no real difference between my saying "I am playing Last Post on Thursday" and "I am playing the Last Post on Thursday" and the former might be more correct, if that is really the title, but the latter seems to trip off the tongue more easily. And check our article titles - Last Post, Reveille but The Rouse. Go figure! Definitely not worth starting a fight over ... cheers DBaK (talk) 08:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with what you're saying but you may have kind of missed my point. I'm happy the piece of music is called "Last Post", but when you talk about it you say "I'm off to play the Last Post" not "I'm off to play Last Post", which sounds like a position in cricket or football or something. Having said which, context could be everything - like you wouldn't hesitate to say "I'm off to play God Save the Queen" - ""I'm off to play the God Save the Queen" just sounds daft. As also with your Messiah example - saying "I'm off to play Messiah" sounds like you've either got a special religious calling or a psychiatric condition, not that you're going to play some music, which is better conveyed by "I'm off to play The Messiah" (which I guess, if you think about it, could also be taken the wrong way). Anyway, was just seeing if there was some particular convention that said the definite article should should not be used with that name. --jjron (talk) 08:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, nope, I really do not think that I have missed your point, thank you. I am, in fact, a trumpet player, for my sins, so I'm not speculating about what people might say but quoting what I might myself say. Context is, as you say, all, and sometimes it matters more what the right title is than others. I'm agreeing with you that it doesn't really matter here and that if it reads better with "the" then fine. I do not agree that saying "Messiah" or "Last Post" instead of the "the" versions is always going to sound wrong, or indeed psychiatrically unwell (you clearly do know lots of trumpet players, though!) - context context, as you say. It partly depends on whether you think your audience understands; in some contexts I'd sound like a pretentious twat for saying "Messiah" and in other places like an ignorant one for adding a "the"! And no, I don't think there is a convention, or at least I've not come across it if there is. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually the more I think about it there more I think there's something weird about the "the" - more generally - and when we do and don't use it (anyone for road names??) but I'd probably need a linguist to help unravel it and it's waaaay out of the scope of this talk page... :) DBaK (talk) 09:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggested you missed my point by using "The" when I only ever mentioned "the". Entirely different meanings. "The" implies it's part of the song title, which is what your first post was about, "the" implies the usage, which you talk about in your second post. Anyway, not being a musician, I can only speculate about what general usage is, not what musicians would say. FWIW my bugler friend who plays (the) Last Post, etc on Remembrance Day refers to it as the Last Post, so make of that what you will. Whatever works I suppose. --jjron (talk) 13:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Now you're splitting hairs. I suggest we settle this with a duel. :) FWIW it's worth MY cornet player friend, who, like me, plays it on Remembrance Day and/or Remembrance Sunday, but unlike me is a full-time military musician and has played it at the Cenotaph - or is that The Cenotaph, or even THE Cenotaph? - in front of like 8 billion people on TV, seems to always avoid the "the", giving rise to usages like "You doing last post anywhere today or Sunday?" and "Hoping I get to do Last Post" - which are real, very recent, quotes. Clearly we have reached an impasse and can only solve this with physical violence. (Well, I mean apart from the fact that I don't feel strongly enough to change anything!) Kindly have your seconds contact mine. We will meet at dawn. Cheers! DBaK (talk) 09:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Jjron's edits

And well done with the recent copyedit by the way - this is a very good, and long overdue, cleanup. It's a tricky article to get right. Nice one. DBaK (talk) 09:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheers. Takes a bit of effort to get what looks like even relatively minor things right I guess. --jjron (talk) 13:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think it's one of those articles which, while it doesn't need to be split into a load of local versions, does labour a little under the weight of having to cover a lot of variants. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for a new section/Semi protection access.

Would it be possible to insert a sub entry under United Kingdom, as has been done for Northern Ireland, to account for Gibraltar's participation in remembrance day? I have most of the information to hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyBlackburn (talk • contribs) 09:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I should think that if you paste it here a sympathetic editor will probably shift it into the article for you ... ermm ... this assumes it is referenced and uncontentious! :) The only thing is, is it definitely right for it to be under the UK? I can't pretend to understand Gib's technical status but I would hate to p*ss off X million Gib residents/Spanish people/Brits/whoever ... Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming you can't do it yourself because of some autoconfirming thing and the semi-protection btw ... is that right? (Another thing I don't understand!) DBaK (talk) 09:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Protection is scheduled to be lifted on 16 Nov - see this diff. You can add it yourself then, but as DBaK says, please try to ensure it's referenced and in the correct place. --jjron (talk) 13:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Two small factual errors in Canada section of this article

I noticed two small inaccuracies with the Canadian section on this page.

The first is that Remembrance Day is in fact a Public/ Statutory holiday in Manitoba. The three provinces should be Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador.

The second has to with the following passage: “The official national ceremonies are held at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, presided over by the Governor General of Canada, any members of the Canadian Royal Family (such as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, in 2009),[8] the prime minister, and other dignitaries...” This should read the British Royal Family, as Canada does not have a Royal Family. Prime Minister should also be capitalized.

Because this is a locked page, I cannot make these changes, but if someone with that ability could, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Aimeemystery (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you provide a ref for your public holidays claim? According to Public holidays in Canada in Manitoba "Remembrance Day - an "Official day of Observance", not a statutory holiday.", while in Newfoundland and Labrador "Armistice Day" is a public holiday, which agrees with what the article currently says.

According to the extensive article Monarchy of Canada they do have a Royal Family. Yes, I know they're British, but technically they're the Canadian Royal Family too. I will change to wording to just say Royal Family but leave the link the same as I would have a similar grumble if it listed the Australian Royal Family.

Re prime minister, the prime minister article uses the lower case when talking about the job - if referring to a specific person such as Prime Minister Stephen Harper it would then be capitalised. --jjron (talk) 13:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

White Poppy Comment

I would like to suggest that the phrase "A small number of people choose to wear white poppies" be changed to "A number of people choose to wear white poppies", or even "Many people choose to wear white poppies". The White Poppy campaign is very well supported, and to say that only a small number of people wear them diminishes what is a significant movement.

(82.45.195.79 (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC))

I think 'A number of people' would be the best wording, as we have no idea what the number is. I suspect it is fairly small as I don't recollect ever having seen anybody wear one myself, but this is perhaps because I don't get wound up about it. Wear what you want; it's a free country because.... (you can finish the sentence yourself :-) 86.132.126.175 (talk) 00:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree. We really shouldn't be saying it's a small or large number of people unless we have the actual numbers to enable us to compare red/white poppy production, or sales, or wearing rates in the population ... otherwise it's just OR/speculation/guesswork/whatever. I've changed it. (To be honest, though, I don't think the encyclopaedia should care about "diminishing" a movement, just about accuracy and neutrality.) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Please change

German Ewigkeitssonntag to Totensonntag. Eternity Sunday und Sunday of the Dead are two different celebrations falling onto the same day. Eternity Sunday is a what used to be with Catholics as well the Sunday of the Last Judgment, until we moved the Feast of Christ the King to the day. The Commemoration of the Dead was only placed to this date by Protestants for lack of any other date. Who celebrates Eternity Sunday does so because he thinks the topic of Last Judgment (and I actually don't know why it isn't called Sunday of the Last Judgment) is more important than the Commemoration of the Dead. I'm not saying there are not some connections, as frankly speaking there are always in matters of faith and theology, but still these are distinct, as also the Feast of Christ the King is distinct of both, though neither of both is positively non-Catholic. --93.133.248.57 (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Engvar - spelling -ize

This 2002-SEP-09 edit introduced -ize in "organized", establishing a precedent for Engvar. Also, -IZE is the most standard spelling in Canada and an accepted spelling within the UK.--JimWae (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm not quite sure what your point is. I am a fan of -ize spellings in BrE anyway so I have no axe to grind here. What I object to is the unhelpful edit from the user who came along, changed this one word and then went on their way without the courtesy of an edit summary. The article is still a mess of both -ise and -ize spellings at the moment so the precedent upon which you comment is not being honoured anyway. Are you proposing some change to this? DBaK (talk) 20:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation. So in this case -ise would be more appropriate. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 21:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like they are all with "s" instead of "z" now so hopefully no one will come along and randomly change one of them again. Wikipedia likes consistency. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

This article has strong national ties to several countries - at least one of which, Canada, uses -ize as a standard. WP:RETAIN says keep the engvar that was 1st used - unless there are strong national ties that would decide the matter otherwise. Strong national ties do NOT decide the matter otherwise for this article - AND -IZE is accepted in the UK anyway --JimWae (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for that much more helpful reply. I'm with AdventurousSquirrel on the "please don't randomly change things" bit. That's what started my bad temper over this whole thing! However, I cannot agree that "-ise" is more appropriate for an article with BrE roots. This is not true - as JimWae points out the "-ize" version is a perfectly acceptable BrE spelling. The Oxford dictionaries think so too - I do not accept the gross oversimplification that "-ize" is foreign or wrong. (Could argue this at more length but maybe this is not the right place!) Having said all that the article is STILL inconsistent, which is a bit pathetic really. If we can agree here what it should be, ENgVar and all, maybe the editor who sorts it out could actually check that they got them all? :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I do feel that I should add that "Strong national ties do NOT decide the matter otherwise for this article" is a statement of an opinion, not a fact. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well if there isn't a strong tie to any nation or it could be argued for either side then it really doesn't matter which version is used. It just has to be consistent. So let's pick one and make em all the same. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 08:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:RETAIN says leave it as the one first used - which was -ize --JimWae (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

All spellings are 'ize' and 'iza' now. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 01:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Re-restored to -IZ- on 2011-11-11 after spelling "corrections" by IP. --JimWae (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Rosemary instead of poppies in Australia

Could some mention be made that in Australia a sprig of rosemary was traditionally worn, even on Remembrance Day, and that the habit wearing of poppies is more recent. The custom dates to Gallipoli - where rosemary grows wild and the smell of that plant would cause anyone who was there to remember.

See: http://www.warmemorialsnsw.asn.au/traditions/rosemary.cfm http://www.anzacday.org.au/education/tff/rosemary.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.129.81.174 (talk) 01:01, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

First Sentence ???

"Remembrance Day (also known as Poppy Day, Armistice Day or Veterans Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth countries to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty since World War I."

This sentence needs to be re-written. It could be misconstrued that only deaths SINCE World War I are remembered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.164.154.249 (talk) 20:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Mozambique?

Mozambique does not observe the Remembrance Day.

Mozambique isn't part of the commonwealth either. What is this doing here?Wendy.krieger (talk) 07:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Omg typical, you only give a f*ck about this article when the actual day comes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.165.75 (talk) 22:28, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Some things are checked as they appear in the news. I normally watch entirely different things... Wendy.krieger (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

It IS a member of the Commonwealth. --JimWae (talk) 08:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Reference for Manitoba as Canadian province that observes Remebrance Day

In the article on Remembrance Day, the section under Canada states:

"In Canada, Remembrance Day is a public holiday and federal statutory holiday, as well as a statutory holiday in all three territories and in seven of the ten provinces (British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia,[6] Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador[7]).[8] "

This should be amended to read:

"In Canada, Remembrance Day is a public holiday and federal statutory holiday, as well as a statutory holiday in all three territories and in eight of the ten provinces (British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia,[6] Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador[7]).[8] "

because, according to , the Remembrance Day Act of Manitoba (C.C.S.M. c. R80) of April 7, 2007 does declare that November 11 is a statutory holiday in Manitoba. Redfoxnorth (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Done by User:JimWae. — Bility (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

UK Members of Parliament Should Hang Heads In Shame At This Year's Service

Reminder: Talk page is for discussing improvements to article.

As it is Armistice Day, I hope they all read of the suicides of former soldier Mark Mullins and his disabled wife, reported in the Daily Mail [<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059238/Army-veteran-Mark-Mullins-wife-Helen-driven-suicide-poverty.html>] who killed themselves after 18 months of struggling to survive on the £57.50 Jobseeker's Allowance payment which was all Mr Mullins, a 48-year-old former Army physical training instructor, was able to claim, and the exhaustion of having to walk 12 miles to eat free soup and handouts at a Salvation Army soup kitchen. 79.70.225.21 (talk) 01:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)I'll remember them, if they don't 79.70.225.21 (talk) 01:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Not my edit - database error

This was NOT my edit, though it is my edit summary. However, that edit did not change the spelling. Several of my subsequent edits were to remove stuff that got changed with that edit. I think I must have somehow piggy-backed on an edit that was not fully saved yet. It was not I who removed the pp tag. --JimWae (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Dates

Why are the dates in US format (month/day) instead of the UK format (day/month) as this is a UK event?

No, it isnt a UK event. Have you even read the article? --Dallin Tanjo22 22:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, so why does it use the US format when the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Malta and the rest of the commonwealth counties all use the day/month format?

I linked the dates so they autoformat for the reader--Kelapstick 19:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Canada uses mm/dd/yyyy format so don't assume the US is the only place that does. Wikipedia is way too British as it is!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.2.138 (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Canada uses dd/mm/yyyy yyyy/mm/dd and mm/dd/yy (though I'd say the latter is going out of style). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.70.183 (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

What kind of silliness is this? "Canada uses dd/mm/yyyy yyyy/mm/dd and mm/dd/yy (though I'd say the latter is going out of style)." Unless, much like in the USA you are in the military, you will be quite hard pressed to find ANY usage of the dd/mm/yy format by the AVERAGE Canadian citizen... And even less so the yyyy/mm/dd format! Manufacturing, Military, and a few other exception most certainly do not qualify as "going out of style" You seem to be trying to make your own opinion of which format should be used the standard for Canada?. As a dual citizen who spends most of my life in Canada I have YET to see the YYYY/MM/DD format used anywhere.. As it is now auto-formatting is in MM/DD/YY format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.215.115 (talk) 21:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

You are being inflammatory. You need to alter the tone of your writing. yyyy/mm/dd format is the only format you will see when dealing with the government. Check your licence and health card. That's how the date is formatted. As for dd/mm/yyyy, that is the standard, and traditional, Canadian format. The mm/dd/yyyy is an Americanism. Many Canadians have been adopting it because they deal with the U.S. so frequently (it's particularly common out west) and because early computers were formatted to the U.S. style. However, if you are using a Canadian computer (with a Windows OS) have a look at the date format in the lower right hand corner on the taskbar. Most computers are auto-formatted these days to use the Canadian style when you select Canada as your country when you set the computer up (e.g. right now, my computer says it's 06/10/2012).

Canada is a big country with many regional differences. When I went to school in in Southern Ontario the format taught was dd/mm/yyyy. Pretty much like anything in the Canadian language the general rule is "use whatever you like." Canadians can spell centre or center. It's usually centre in the east and center in the west. These are regional differences. Don't make assumptions for the country as a whole. You're a dual citizen? Are you of U.S. origin? It's possible that's why you're missing out on some Canadian contexts here. As a person who grew up and went to school here I can tell you quite authoritatively that all three formats are used and all three formats are very common. Although there tends to be a general preference to avoid "Americanisms" if they are brought to your attention. It's a stigma. Celynn (talk) 18:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Day off in Schools ?

I seem to remember having the day off for Rememberance Day when I was a child. I attended French Catholic School. Am I just imagining this or was the day considered an official holiday and somewhere along the way, it changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.145.135 (User ) 02:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Depends on the province, but in the west, kids get Nov 11th off, and the schools usually hold a ceremony a few days earlier. Jabrwock (talk) 14:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

It used to be a public holiday across Canada, so yes, children would get the day off. Then research showed that most people used it as a convenient day off with no reference to remembrance, so the public holiday was chopped. Skip forward twenty years. Thereafter, every single year without fail, people would ask why Remembrance Day is not a holiday. - Tenebris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.157.251 (User ) 18:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

In BC we still get the day off, and schools hold ceremonies the last school day before it. Community ceremonies at the cenotaphs, etc. are held on the 11th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.199.227 (User ) 17:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

In Ontario we do not get the days off school. However, the day is usually turned into a "short day" where class lengths are reduced in order to hold an assembly. Usually an announcement is made approaching 11:00 AM and a moment of silence is held in school. It's a shame that it's not a public holiday but they were probably hoping to curtail students just taking the day off for fun, rather than remembering those who died. Celynn (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I remember my school Victoria College, Jersey used to have a service at 11am on 11th November, it was quite a big thing for my school because we lost so many people in WW1, they got some Chelsea pensioners to come over, the CCF did a parade at the school war memorial aftter the parade and then the rest of the school had to file past us, and all the Victoria crosses won by past students were brought out. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 02:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC))

Edit request on 6 November 2012

Please change "In Canada, Remembrance Day is a public holiday and federal statutory holiday, as well as a statutory holiday in all three territories and in eight of the ten provinces (Ontario and Quebec being the exceptions)" to "In Canada, Remembrance Day is a public holiday and federal statutory holiday, as well as a statutory holiday in all three territories and in six of the ten provinces (Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec being the exceptions)" because of the information provided on the following websites: http://www.gov.ns.ca/lae/employmentrights/remembrance.asp; and http://www.gov.mb.ca/ctt/invest/busfacts/workforce/stat_hols.html

Klearity (talk) 19:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Done Thank you for your contribution! Vacation^nine 04:25, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Archiving

What is everyone's opinion of me setting up User:MiszaBot to archive sections which are 90 days old? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't look active enough to warrant such frequent archiving. Rivertorch (talk) 07:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I was just going for a number which gives people time to respond. I might go with ClueBot, and set it for sections older than 6 months, but also have it least the last 3 on the talk page. How does that sound? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

There's only 75KB of content after six years, so I'd be inclined to archive manually, if at all. If you prefer to have a bot do it, the parameters you propose sound perfectly reasonable. Rivertorch (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I've set up ClueBot to do it, bot archiving will just mean that this discussion won't need to be had again, especially if there are more edit requests. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:05, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Opening sentence

The opening sentence reads 'Remembrance Day (also known as Poppy Day or Armistice Day)'. I'm not sure this is completely accurate. As I understand it 'Remembrance Day' and 'Armistice Day' share the same date, but they are not the same thing. Thoughts anyone? Obscurasky (talk) 11:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

They are one and the same. Malke 2010 (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't think thay are. Armistice Day specifically relates to the First World War, wheras Rememberance Day commemorates members of the armed forces, who have died in the line of duty, in all conflicts. Obscurasky (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

They are really the same, just after the second world war the name was changed to better include later conflicts rather than the first world wars. It was thought that "Remembrance Day" would be a better name after the second world war but not all countries use the same names hence the confusion that they are somehow two different things on the same day, they are not. MilborneOne (talk) 23:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, one and the same. In America they call it Veterans Day but it started out as Armistice Day. Malke 2010 (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Then why do Armistice Day and Remembrance Day have different pages? Obscurasky (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. Why not? Malke 2010 (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't sound very encyclopaedicObscurasky (talk) 14:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Armistice Day is always on the 11th November. Remembrance Day is the nearest Sunday to the 11th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.228.98.159 (talk) 17:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Lapse and Revival

The same article cited for the laying of wreaths, BBC News from 1999 reads at the end of the first section: This is the fifth year in which the legion has campaigned for the silence on 11 November and it has the backing of the three main political parties and organisations around the country. meaning that the Legion's campaign started in 1995 and gathered momentum during the decade and afterwards. If the occasion were already being marked, there would not have been a campaign in the first place. Paul S (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Tiny edit request

Similar observances outside the Commonwealth > France and Belgium > ...which took effect at 11:00 am in the morning > redundancy, should be just 11 A.M. or however Wiki style guide suggests. Eunoia666 (talk) 09:18, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done SW3 5DL (talk) 18:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit request:

I think it should include the following caveat for Manitoba: Note: Remembrance Day (November 11) is not a General Holiday under Manitoba labour legislation, however most industries in Manitoba are not allowed to operate that day, with some specified exceptions. http://www.gov.mb.ca/ctt/invest/busfacts/workforce/stat_hols.html

Tiny edit request

There seems to be a period missing between the last two sentences in 2.7 (Netherlands). Tiny error, but should be fixed anyway :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.15.169.81 (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done MilborneOne (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Origin of Two Minute Silence

Edit requested:

As per the Wikipedia pages headed "Moment of silence" and "Tow Minute Silence", the origin of the two minute silence is in Cape Town, South Africa and can be attributed to Sir Harry Hands, R Brydon, and Sir Percy Fitzpatrick:

The origin of the Remembrance Day silence originates in Cape Town, South Africa where there was a daily three minute silence, known as the Three Minute Pause, initiated by the daily firing of the noon day gun on Signal Hill. This was instituted by the Cape Town Mayor, Sir Harry Hands, on 14 May 1918: one minute was a time of thanksgiving for those who had returned alive, the second minute was to remember the fallen. During the silence a bugler played the Last Post and then Reveille to signal the end of the silence. A Reuters correspondent in Cape Town cabled a description of the event to London and from there word spread to Canada and Australia.[2] Sir Percy Fitzpatrick, writing to Lord Milner in November 1919 described the silence that fell on the city during this daily ritual, and proposed that this became an official part of the annual service on Armistice Day. The meaning behind his proposal was stated to be:[3]

It is due to the women, who have lost and suffered and borne so much, with whom the thought is ever present. It is due to the children that they know to whom they owe their dear fought freedom. It is due to the men, and from them, as men. But far and away, above all else, it is due to those who gave their all, sought no recompense, and with whom we can never re-pay - our Glorious and Immortal Dead. 

Sir Percy's letter was received by Lord Milner on 4 November 1919, reviewed and accepted by the War Cabinet on 5 November, and was immediately approved by George V. A press statement was released from the Palace:[4]

Tuesday next, 11 November, is the first anniversary of the Armistice, which stayed the worldwide carnage of the four preceding years and the victory of Right and Freedom. I believe that my people in every part of the Empire fervently wish to perpetuate the meaning of the Great Deliverance, and of those who laid down their lives to achieve it. To afford an opportunity for the universal expression of their feeling, it is my desire and hope that at the hour when the Armistice comes into force, the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, there may be for a brief space of two minutes, a complete suspension of all our normal activities. 

Sir Percy FitzPatrick was thanked for his contribution by Lord Stamfordham, the King's Private Secretary."

The inclusion of the following is historically inaccurate:

"This was possibly done upon the suggestion of Edward George Honey to Wellesley Tudor Pole, who established two ceremonial periods of remembrance based on events in 1917." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.33.27.76 (talk) 11:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

 Partly done I removed that sentence as it is not supported by the source and doesn't make sense anyway (the source says nothing about Honey and is about Pole's campaign during WWII while Remembrance Day commenced in 1919). I am not sure about the rest, it is probably too long for this article. HelenOnline 16:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I also added a wikilink to the two minute silence article, I don't think we need to repeat its origins here. HelenOnline 16:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that the contemporary nomenclature seems to affect the writing of this article. There is no such thing as Remembrance Day. For the Commonwealth and UK they are, distinctly, Remembrance Sunday and ARMISTICE Day. Remembrance Day is a modern , aberrational, understanding of what is done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.211.192 (talk) 08:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Just a note that the word "recognized" is misspelled in the third line of the first paragraph. That's all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BizzyBees500 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

White poppy (symbol)

White poppy (symbol) is listed twice at the end. —DIV (137.111.13.4 (talk) 03:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2014

Remove: In Canada, Remembrance Day is a public holiday and federal statutory holiday, as well as a statutory holiday in all three territories and in six of the ten provinces (Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec being the exceptions).[8][9][10][11]

Replace with: In Canada, Remembrance Day is a federal statutory holiday - with a notable exception of Nova Scotia, North West Territory, Ontario and Quebec. [4]

108.175.233.249 (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Done: although I slightly adjusted your proposed wording for flow. NiciVampireHeart 08:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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The section begins saying that Remembrance Day is a federal statutory holiday (in Canada) and ends saying that there is a bill before parliament to make the day a federal statutory holiday. Both conditions cannot exist simultaneously. Please clarify. Hurdingkatz (talk) 13:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

In Defence Of Giving Peace A Chance

As a counter to this Pro-war Fest - can the following be added?

“Let them die now. Let the memorials gather grass and the commemorations be over. I wish all those dead men could lose their eternal youth beneath those ever-fresh graves, now that their natural lifespan has ticked past the final Zero Hour, and that the kind old sun would finally go down and spare them another morning, that they may now grow old as we grow old. Close down the annual production line of replacement gravestones. So at least we can get on with the business at hand…”

My father threw away his poppy in disgust, Robert Fisk, The Independent, Sunday 3 August 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.250.124 (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

"Pro-war Fest" clearly somebody has misunderstood the reasons for remembrance. MilborneOne (talk) 19:46, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure the opinion of one journalist is really relevant particularly as it appears to be aimed at the first world war remembrance and not really relevant to an article on remembrance day which is not just about the great war. MilborneOne (talk) 19:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Norway

Under the heading Similar observances outside the Commonwealth Veterans Day is listed for Norway. However, this is a day for living veterans, not a day of remembrance of those who died in the line of duty. Norwegian defence has its own remembrance day, no:Forsvarets minnedag (Armed Forces Remembrance Day), on the first Sunday of November, first observed in 2007. It would seem Armed Forces Remembrance Day would be the most appropriate to list in this article. – Ordensherre (talk) 15:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Finland

Under Similar observances... please add Finland:

In Finland, Commemoration Day of Fallen Soldiers is observed on the third Sunday of May. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkaarela (talk • contribs) 07:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015

Remembrance day is NOT a statutory holiday in Ontario, Canada 70.28.116.34 (talk) 18:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

 Not done True, which is why the text states "Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec being the exceptions". Mindmatrix 21:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015

Please change: written by the Canadian officer Alexander MeCrae. To: written by Canadian Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae Syncro Kombi (talk) 16:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

• Already done Request was already done by another editor. Thank you. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Real poppies on November 11?

"At first real poppies were worn." Real poppies on November 11? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiot (talk • contribs) 10:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Romania

In Romania there are two celebrations regarding veterans:

November 11th - The (Expeditionary/Operation/Abroad Theaters) Veterans Day was established by Law No. 150 of 22.10.2014, for the acknowledgement of the merits of military personnel participating in military actions and providing them and their descendants certain rights. The date was chosen for its double significance: the day the armistice that was signed between the Allies of World War I and Germany to end World War 1 and create the premises of the Great Union in Romania, on December 1, 1918; and because on November 11, 2003, 2nd Lt. (posthumous) Iosif Silviu Fogoraşi, died in the line of duty, the first romanian soldier to lose his life in the theater of operations in Afghanistan.

April 29th – The War Veterans Day was reinstated (first time in 1902 - Carol I of Romania) by Government's Emergency Ordonance No. 1222/2007, for the acknowledgement of the romanian soldiers from The Romanian War of Independence 1877-1878, WWI and WWII.

The symbol for these celebrations is the romanian official national flower known as "Bujorul românesc" (Paeonia peregrina Mill. var. romanica) Razvan Mihaeanu (talk) 00:00, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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Mozambique Comonwealth

That page states Mozambique is part of the Common Wealth but it’s wasn’t and is not, as it was a Portuguese Colony. As the edit button is disable can someone rectify this? Brunoeliaz (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Please ignore my previous comment. Brunoeliaz (talk) 17:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

This thread is closed Brunoeliaz (talk) 17:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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'Remembrance Day' in Victorian times

On reading Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy, I came across the following sentence at the start of Part 6, Chapter 1:- "The place seems gay,' said Sue. 'Why - it is Remembrance Day!' This was written in 1896 and so long precedes the contemporary observance. Also from the context it is a joyous occasion rather than a sad one. I can find no reference to this celebration - can anyone help, and perhaps add a new section or disambiguation link to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcencielltd (talk • contribs) 16:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Canada

It should be noted that Remembrance Day or the Monday following (if it is on Saturday or Sunday) are statutory holidays for all federal employees, federal agencies (i.e. Canada post) and federal regulated industries (i.e. banks). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.136.242.1 (talk) 21:14, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2018

In 1994, Winnipeg inaugurated National Aboriginal Veterans Day on November 8th to pay homage to all of Canada's Indigenous people who made contributions to the First World War, Second World War and Korean War. JIllPrice (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.--B dash (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Remembrance Day in 2018

I do not know whether this is worth putting in the article, but it might be worth putting that in 2018, November 11 fell on a Sunday. This was rather appropriate, as it meant that exactly one hundred years after the end of the First World War, Armistice Day fell on Remembrance Sunday. The Six O'Clock news and Pick of the Week on BBC Radio 4 were replaced with a service from Westminster Abbey on November 11 2018, with Pick of the Week being moved to an earlier time. Vorbee (talk) 18:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Overlap with Remembrance Sunday article

The section about Remembrance Sunday contained a lot of detail, most of which was reproduced in the main article. I have now removed most of it and added what was missing to the main article, so most of the info about Remembrance Sunday is in one place and therefore consistent. However have now discovered that the Remembrance Sunday and National Service of Remembrance articles need the same treatment! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Error in the information concerning Poland

Error in this sentence: "...ending of First World War allowed Polish people to regain the freedom and unity of their country after over a hundred years of partitions." It should be "...ending of First World War allowed Polish people to regain the freedom and unity of their country <after 123 years of partitions>." Medicago (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2021

I would like to edit the part where it says ‘next time 11th November 2021’

Thanks Jkaur121 (talk) 19:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)