Talk:René Fasel

Source for future expansion

http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/news-singleview/hash/0d8b69c9d7/browse/34/article/fasel-elected-onto-ioc-board/187.html

Current controversy with Belarus

Seems very 'undue' to be presenting here. There have been many controversies during his tenure, if he plays a role in actually changing the hosting situation then it would be worth having on here.18abruce (talk) 13:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I notice repeated insertions of excessive information about Lukashenk or the government in Belarus that have nothing to do with Fasel and should be removed. This is supposed to a biography of Fasel, and not an advocacy page for the protests. Flibirigit (talk) 15:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have removed the information about the Lukashenko. But obviously the reaction of Fasel towards the criticism is a relevant information for his biography.--KastusK (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The recent additions contain excessive information about Dzmitry Baskau, which have nothing to do with Fasel. Simply posing for a photograph is not a notable event and does not need to be included. Such desciptions on Baskau belong in an article about him, and not in a biography about Fasel. Flibirigit (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have also removed an excessive discussion about Fasel's reponse and the trivial quote. The only statement needed here is that Fasel denied that the meeting had any meaning beyond hockey. Anything else is undue weight and violates Wikipedia:Advocacy for the Belarus protests. Flibirigit (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The photograph with Baskov was not only discussed on Belarusian opposition sites but also on neutral sport news websites like Around the Rings or Inside the Games. It is obviously a relevant information for his biography which was thematized by several media outlets. I would agree to remove some information about Baskau but at least one sentence about this incident would be relevant if there are at least two neutral sport media outlets reporting about this controversy. And why did you remove his statement that he had good relations with Lukashenko for 20 years and that he responded to the criticism by declaring he is convinced that he did not do anything wrong? Maybe you are practising Wikipedia:Advocacy for Mr. Fasel?--KastusK (talk) 16:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you are biased against Fasel? In any event, the objections we're raising are not that these additions are poorly sourced. It is that under WP:UNDUE, they take up a disproportionate amount of space in an article focused around a 26-year presidency. Perhaps you should read (or reread) these relevant guidelines and policies for a better understanding of them. Ravenswing 02:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE explicitly says: "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." There are dozens of reliable sources reporting about the behavior of Fasel and the reactions around this meeting. I have thematized the critics as well as his response to the criticism. How do my edits violate the Wikipedia rules? The sentence "Fasel replied that the meeting was solely to discuss the World Championships, and that they had known each other from playing ice hockey together" obviously does not enough reproduce the content of the interview. In fact, Fasel showed no understanding for the criticism and said that he does not only know Lukashenko for a long time but that he also has a good relation with him. This is a misleading summarization of the interview.--KastusK (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It is undue because this article is about Fasel, not about the controversy or the meeting. What is relevant is that there was controversy and that is mentioned along with the opposing viewpoint that it wasn't big deal therefore its neutral. Once you start adding a lot of overly detailed information it starts to become one sided and undue weight. The details of the controversy are covered in the more relevant page of the championships. -DJSasso (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)