Talk:Renault Avantime

Body Style

I really don't think the Renault Fuego can be named as the predecessor of the Avantime, the Renault Fuego was a regular coupé that replaced the Renault 15/17, and the Avantime was a totally new concept. The Avantime is a luxury MPV coupé (even dubbed Coupéspace) which the Fuego clearly isn't. The article says "The eventual Avantime design by Patrick Le Quement was intended to offer the luxury and comfort of a coupe with the style and flexibility of an Espace-type MPV" therefore, it cannot be considered as a coupé that replaced the Fuego. DaFinch 19:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Engine

The V6 used to power the Avantime is in fact the PSA ES engine. It should be referenced as such. Tourist.tam (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Confused?

On the one hand:

The one-box design eliminated B-pillars and featured an aluminium structure

and on the other:

The design borrowed the automotive space frame of the first generation Renault Espace (load bearing galvanized structure . . . )

This needs sorting.

86.141.61.196 (talk) 19:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it's a bit of both, aluminium used in the top areas (especially above the windows), steel in the others. From memory where the two metals come into contact, it causes corrosion on the aluminium side where the surface bubbles up. Shritwod (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

That's credible . . . but the article has 'an aluminium structure' AND 'aluminium panels for the greenhouse'. 86.141.61.196 (talk) 15:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

This i not a "'Grand Tourer"

That's some marketing BS from Renault. This is a crossover SUV. GTs are sporty, high performance coupes and sedans, generally rear or AWD. This is a 4 or 6 cyl FWD box on wheels, mostly designed to look trendy and clever, and not at all fast or sporty. It could also be called a hatchback or minivan. There is no way that a slab sided FWD one-box with a traverse I4 and 3 row seating is a "GT" anywhere except in the marketing materials of the manufacturer. No doubt BMW also tried to sell the Cooper Countryman was a "GT" as well, but that doesn't make it one. Although it's closer than this car, since the Countryman at least typically has AWD, even if the normal operation is as a FWD.

64.222.87.62 (talk) 03:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

The term "crossover" wasn't widely used when the Avantime came out, and typically even today it means a cross between an SUV and ordinary car, where the Avantime is a cross between an MPV and a coupé. So it doesn't exactly fit in any predefined category, but Renault themselves call it a grand tourer which is does have some elements of. It seems as good as anything to call it, since nothing exactly fits. Incidentally, as for performance the V6 gives 200 HP and does make it pretty fast. A supercharged version was also in development, but was cancelled. Shritwod (talk) 10:54, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Spaceframe

Whoever is writing these articles appears to be confused about what a "space frame" is. The photo showing the bare chassis very clearly shows a conventional unit body vehicle, sometimes called a "semi monocoque". It is not a monocoque, it is not a space frame. Race cars and rock buggies use space frames, they are very distinctive since they are made out of skeletons of tubular steel bars (you know, a space frame), not stamped sheet metal. Which this clearly is. Idumea47b (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)