Talk:Renfe Feve

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I'm not sure that the Ferrocarril de Sóller (unlike the other lines on Mallorca) was ever taken over by EFE/FEVE. I'd be glad if anyone could throw any further light on this. -- Picapica 15:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

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The article's title should be changed to "Feve", as the company's name is now written in non-capital letters (previoulsy the logo read "FEVE", but not anymore). --Gta Ed (talk) 14:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Again, I think the article should be renamed. Arguments: the logo does not read "FEVE" anymore, but just "Feve". If there is no answer, I might move it myself.--Gta Ed (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Track gauge questions about article.

In this article two odd track gauges are listed: 915mm, probably 3ft(914mm) and 1,062mm. These were apparently copied from the Spanish Interwiki. I found the following reference, FEVE - 2009 - Nociones básicas ferroviarias, from the official FEVE website which mentions 1.435 mm, 1.062 mm, 1.000 mm, 915 mm and 750 mm as gauges inherited from other companies it absorbed. The "metric rounded" 915mm and the 1,062mm might indicate that the source is inaccurate or that the gauge is derived from an odd unit like castillian foot. In this document 42in is converted to 1062mm (should be 1067mm). My conclusion: Conversion errors. Does anybody have another explanation for this?--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 15:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

As for 915mm: if the company has defined it (for whatever reason), then we must write it like that. (Then categorise the page under 914mm or 3ft). NB Same with Trams in Chemnitz (915mm). And Carmelit (Israel), 1980mm=source (not 1981mm), will be added to our {RailGauge} list. -DePiep (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

More about 915mm and 1062 mm. They seem to be historical, as chapter 10 of the FEVE document says "1.000 mm" only for the 'ancho' specification. Also, right after the mentioning of these five gauges (search "915"), the report says jokingly: "no one can say we were originally a metre gauge company". So it is historical (otherwise we could ask: what size was the last order actually?). But as long as there are no sources saying different or more precise, we must stick to their metric definition as the company states them: 915 and 1062.

915 mm: For rounding precision reasons we can reasonably state that 915mm=3ft (small deviation), also for categorisation: Category:3 ft gauge railways. Use "915mm" input gives: 915 mm (3 ft). No change in {{RailGauge}}. Parallel to Chemnitz this would require Category:914 mm gauge railways in Spain.

But as you write, the 1062mm background is more speculative. The Hondouras document says it is from "42in" -- but how would those two conversion errors be related? There is no connection in the errors/roundings (so far), so one can not take any proof from that. Another curious thing is that, when doing a rounding, one would end up at 1060 or 1065 mm right? I'd say keep unchanged, and follow the source. Create Category:1062 mm gauge railways. New sources can change this.

Precision check for ft,in: 1062mm -- convert: 41+13⁄16 inches (1,062.0375 mm). But 41+12⁄16 inches (1,060.4500 mm) is within 0.5 mm = OK. In {{RailGauge}} we can change the fraction to 3⁄4 then.

(To top it off: for Honduras the same treatment?) -DePiep (talk) 07:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Calculation error by me. Diff ~1.5 mm too much. Best to keep 41+13⁄16 in. -DePiep (talk) 08:08, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Spanish Ferropedia states in the Ferrocarril de Riotinto article that this line was 1067mm. This source confirms, although this line was not inherited by FEVE. Furthermore ferropedia states that FEVE inherited the Ferrocarril Cartagena - Los Nietos which was built at 1067mm and converted to 1000mm ("google translate" translates "estrechando" as shaken, proper translation is "narrowed"). More sources for 1067mm: [1]; [2](page17).--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 10:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

After reading the Mallorca railway articles I learnt that when FEVE took control over the 914mm lines in Mallorca, they converted all railways under their control to metre gauge, with few 914mm lines remaining.--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Great catches (& thanks for that nice ferropedia site).

So for 1062mm we have not one confirmation for any such gauge in Spain, and we have a FEVE track that was 1067mm: Ferrocarril Cartagena - Los Nietos. This makes the linked FEVE 2009 report dubious: it does no mention their own 1067mm, and does mentions an unknown 1062mm! Given the sources you found & added here, we can improve the FEVE article (1062 out, 1067 in). Now 1062mm is not used any more, category is empty: it can go. -DePiep (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The 914mm. [3] says company Ferrocarril de Sóller (Mallorca) has a 914mm gauge (not 915mm). And [4] says like "FEVE changed gauge from 914 mm (same as the Soller line) to metre gauge." (not sourced from there). It is safe to say that "915mm" as a name for 914mm/3ft gauge was not established. It is just a sloppyness in the FEVE 2009 report (again; see 1062mm above). I want to conclude that FEVE says "914mm gauge", as other (historical) 914mm gauges in Spain do. No reason to allow FEVE use the exceptional "915mm" name. This would mean: change this article from 915mm to 914mm. -DePiep (talk) 20:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done [5] by A-T. -DePiep (talk) 09:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)