Talk:Reprisal operations/Archive 1

Road death statistics

The number of Israelis killed in road accidents between 1948 and 1958 was 1,720 with 11,300 seriously injured. Burns, Lieutenant-General E.L.M. (1962) Between Arab and Israeli. George G. Harrap. Page 61. Just parking this here until I get the time to come back. Padres Hana (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem with moving the info to talk, but it's completely irrelevant to the actual article. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Completely? The killing of Israelis by infiltrators is seen as an existential threat ... but the very much higher road kill not? c.f. Total first intifada casualties. They don't even total close to a year's deaths on the roads. I feel it should some how connect with the total disproportional scale of the attacks. I don't know how to express it - yet. Padres Hana (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

You can and should make this connection if it was done in a reliable third party source—otherwise no. In most years the number of Israelis dead in road accidents has exceeded those dead in terrorist attacks, which are seen (as a whole, not as individual attacks) as an existential threat for reasons much more important than statistics. There is also an obvious difference between cases of road deaths and terrorist attacks, which I can elaborate on on your user talk page if you are interested. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Fedayeen insurgency

Just a thought, but how come this is the only article including the Fedayeen attacks as well? The parent article should be something like "Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency" or "Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency and Reprisal operations". We cannot separate the context of Palestinian attacks and Israeli retributions into two articles - that doesn't make sense. It is like making two articles for Syrian civil war, one on "Syrian government attacks" and another on "Syrian rebel counter-attacks and operations". Thoughts?Greyshark09 (talk) 10:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

A good question! The article Palestinian fedayeen makes slight references to the inflitration campaign, but at nothing like the length of this article. I've added a notation and x-ref to that article, thereby slightly mitigating the pro-Palestinian-Arab POV of this article. Would that I could do that for all of WP! However this still does not address the naked POV in the title, which some kind and objective senior editor might like to address - POV tag refers Chrismorey (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Avi Shlaim

As an extreme so-called "revisionist historian", i.e. not a historian at all but a promoter of a political viewpoint, Shlaim is scarcely an unbiased source, nor is his book review (which is referenced) a suitable source per se. The title "dirty war" gives it away. Benny Morris, whose book is being reviewed, was also at one stage a partisan not an objective historian (he has since recanted), but even so was apparently not radical enough for Shlaim. I've made the reference to the original (secondary, authoritative) source, not some extremist's take on that source. The UK ambassador's more considered comment can stand Chrismorey (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC) PS if Oxford University wishes to give credence to Shlaim's hate-mongering, so much the worse for Oxford. It's free speech - but that doesn't mean WP has to slavishly copy. —Unsigned comment by Chrismorey, 04:38, 6 January 2014 [1]. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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