Talk:Reproducible builds

Bitcoin, Tor and trust

I first heard about this concept in 2011 or 2012 in relation to the Bitcoin project (now Bitcoin Core?). I believe that they were one of the first FLOSS projects to really push this as 100% required. Later I heard about it in relation to Tor. What am I saying? I am saying that examples are required. I am saying that history is required.

I would also mention trusting trust and Diverse Double-Compiling (DDC). Which while it is not the same is a related concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.30.61.12 (talk) 01:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

DDC requires reproducible builds of the involved compiler. The DDC-paper from David A. Wheeler also covers many aspects that I found very relevant to reproducible-builds.

Also I wanted to mention that reproducible builds is about more than just compilers. We apply it to any transformation from a source format to an output format. Be that minifying javascript into unreadable javascript or rendering .png from .svg or man-pages from asciidoc - in all cases we want outputs to be determined only by (explicit) inputs. I also noticed that some classes of nondeterminism in https://github.com/bmwiedemann/theunreproduciblepackage are not yet covered. E.g. I found multiple issues from race-conditions and uninitialized memory Wiedemann (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

According to wikipedia itself

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NixOS#Reproducible_system_configurations - 2003
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_(package_manager) - 2003

The Bitcoin project is not the "older" project to promote reproducible builds. Literally Nix and NixOS exist for this sole reason - in 2003.

• https://web.archive.org/web/20220326041400/https://nixos.org/ - ""reproducible""
• https://web.archive.org/web/20080626031302/http://nixos.org/nixos/ - ""deterministic and repeatable way""

As such, the claim "One of the older projects to promote reproducible builds is the Bitcoin project with Gitian" look (to me) as a way of promoting both Bitcoin and Gitian.

In the spirit of https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith, and not https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam, one could phrase it that way : The claim seems a little uninformed, the author could look at Nix and NixOS, especially for this article describing precisely Reproducible Builds. At least the claim is historically false. Neospacewoman (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The article now states "NixOS claims 100% reproducible build in June 2021." - OK to close my previous comment just above. Neospacewoman (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Dedicated section for projects using reproducible builds

Instead of grouping projects which use reproducible builds in the history section, I believe there should be a dedicated section for this. Possibly in the form of a table which shows the status of the reproducibility. LevitatingBusinessMan (talk) 12:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

"R13y" listed at Redirects for discussion

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