Talk:Republic of Ezo

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How long must an article get before it is nolonger a stub?? I'd say this is probably long enough, so I'll take it of. Although feel free to disagree... Mathmo 13:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Regards to the flag; is there a reference or record of the flag? The red star with seven branches can be seen in the offical flag of Hokkaido. However, the star was taken from the local office of development (1869-1882)under the Meiji government, not Republic of Ezo as its own. Also there is no information about the flag of Republic of Ezo in japanese page, which it may need to be re-considered.

The independent "Republic of Ezo" was set up on Meiji 1, December 15 (1/27/1869). Seven 08:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Independence, but not secession?

I must say I'm a bit puzzled by this passage: "... Enomoto's declaration of independence, in a contemporary mindset, was not an act of secession, but rather of "bringing" the politico-social entity of "Japan" formally to Ezo.". You cannot have it both ways. Either they declared independence (which is per definition an act of secession) or they didn't. Which version is correct? Alfons Åberg 03:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

good question it could be a case of Suzerainty or some other kind of political relation i have never herd of. it is worth it to look into--173.63.7.27 (talk) 00:32, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess situation was similar to present-day Taiwan vs Mainland China (ROC-vs-PRC). ROC sees PRC as secessionists, because ROC asserts to have retained the original government; the fact that they were pushed into an island of Taiwan is just a temporary inconvenience. Of course PRC sees otherwise, arguing that the identity stays with the majority of a nation and with majority of the land, not tied to the government. Of course both ROC and PRC claim that they are independent states. --Kubanczyk (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm also curious. These are good theories here, and if I may add my own: the Ezo state was pretending to be in-line with the Empire, while 'de facto' being independent. The wiki statement that it viewed itself as building a defense for Japan doesn't conform with the noted observations of scholars that for centuries the island wasn't considered a part of Japan as well as the fact that the Goryokaku fortress was facing south - clearly anticipating an invasion from mainland Japan. The letter by the Ezo president, Takeaki, acknowledging the empire could've been political cushioning (when he was being invaded and anxious) similar to how Augustus became emperor yet pretended the Senate was still in power and he was a "defender of the people" imo. Or their radically different government could've been seen as a potential threat of imperial instability similar to how the European monarchs attacked France shortly after its Revolution (this would be the suzerainty idea). Cornelius (talk) 17:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Source of Flag? (Republic of Ezo)

For last few years, I've set my focus on late Edo and Meiji period, reading mostly in Japanese. However, I've never seen historical flag of Ezo Republic, which this page claims; "a chrysanthemum (symbol of Imperial rule) and a red star with seven points (symbol of the new Republic) on a sky-blue background."

For example, try google with "Ezo Republic, flag." In case you don't have access with Japanese input, here is the link (http://images.google.co.jp/images?hl=ja&q=%E8%9D%A6%E5%A4%B7%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9B%BD%E3%80%80%E6%97%97&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi).

The point is; I don't see any of the picture, except the created picture at this page. The indication needs reference, otherwise the picture should not be on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.222.117 (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Question has been put to WP:JP at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Vexing vexillological question re: the Republic of Ezo's flag . --Dynaflow babble 21:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I would like to raise a question of credibility in the Ezo flag.

I am the one once raised the same question up in this page years(?) ago. And my question was (seemingly) dismissed as a contributor gave a reference. Year(s?) after I had a chance to see the reference which the contributor made, but it seems not sufficient as the reference. And here are the reasons:

(1) The only indication of the flag is an "illustration" on the page 28, which doesn't give any reference such as so-and-so historical collection. On contrary, other references in the publication do have the name of the collection.

(2) Speaking of the named collection, there is the picture of "the Battle of Hakodate" (hakodate sensou[no] zu) on page12, which is the collection from the City Museum of Hakodate. The publication explains the invading Meiji Army bombarding the bases of the former Tokugawa Shogunate Army (kyuu bakufu gun). However, the the bases having the bombards don't have the flag of Ezo Republic but the flag of rising sun (hino maru).

I would appreciate the contributor who gave the reference of the flag, but it contradicts the fact shown in my argument. What I would like to ask from coordinators who manage the page, is to reconsider the credibility of the flag once again. And if there is any point not sure, the flag on the page should be suspended until the question becomes clear.

PS I couldn't find the discussion page since the issue is gone for over the years. If my comment is not placed on right spot, please refer this to proper page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by QXWR (talk • contribs) 20:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Renamed to c:File:Fictional Flag of the Republic of Ezo.svg

Japanese wikipedians researched the source of "Flag of the Republic of Ez"; one of them requested reference service to the local public library, the Hakodate Central Library (ja:函館市中央図書館) and got the answer that there was no reliable source for the flag except the one which was published in 2009. See the result posted to c:File talk:Flag of the Republic of Ezo.svg. Accordingly c:File:Flag of the Republic of Ezo.svg was renamed to c:File:Fictional Flag of the Republic of Ezo.svg. Thanks.--miya (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

congress

if the republic was based on the united states did it have a congress? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.63.7.27 (talk) 19:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Legislation

Was there any legislative body? If so it should be mentioned.Pug6666 21:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Universal suffrage among the samurai class?

What does this mean? Universal suffrage is by definition independent of class, that's the whole point of universal suffrage. PinkShinyRose (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Then please alter the sentence, "universal suffrage" is indeed class-free so IT doesn't make sense in any way.

Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 12:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I changed the sentence. --zeno (talk) 19:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

What happened to the French?

The article devotes some space to the defeat and downfall of the Republic in battle and siege, and also mentions the sparing of the rebel leader Enomoto's life, but does not mention the fates of the French advisers/commanders. Were they expelled? Killed in battle? Executed later? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Added to aftermath section. Excommunicato (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Date

I doubt Japán ever used the Julian calendar (old style) and the Julian date is 15 of January and not 15 of December (12 days difference in the 19 century). --Zzalpha (talk) 17:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 02:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

First election

This was the first election ever held in Japan,

Didn't monk orders or merchant guilds or pirate ships elect their officers by voting? (I ask, I don't know) They are not as suzerain as a government but the officer can have significant power. --Error (talk) 09:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Confusing phrasing

"After the defeat of the forces of the Tokugawa shogunate in the Boshin War (1869) of the Meiji Restoration,"

I find this exact phrasing confusing. Shouldn't it be:

"After the defeat of the forces of the Tokugawa shogunate in the Boshin War (1869) by the Meiji Restoration,"

Or is there some subtle meaning I am missing? Cptbutton (talk) 09:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Excommunicato (talk) 02:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)