Talk:Restarter

Requested move 26 June 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 13:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Restarter → Restarter (album) – Prior to this article creation March 2015 search for Restarter brought up various options as Restarter (UNIX) (now a redirect). This is highly generic name for a restart button or function in dozens of processes, and a No.113 album is not a primary topic for the term. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 05:05, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support – this album does not appear to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Restarter". —BarrelProof (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. The title of Restarter (UNIX) is Service Management Facility (UNIX). A hatnote would be sufficient enough for disambiguation. There is no need for unnecessary parenthetical disambiguation. Sovereign/^Sentinel 16:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
  • The title of the other article is irrelevant. See WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT ("The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary.") —BarrelProof (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
• Support per BarrelProof and nom -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 06:07, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. There's really no other competing topic of this name, so redirecting "Restarter" to "Restarter (album)" would be a bad idea. The "resterter" module mentioned at Service Management Facility is already linked in the hat note, meaning any confused readers are already being served.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Service Management Facility is not synonymous with Restarter so a hatnote is adequate. Tassedethe (talk) 06:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support There are many things and devices that could be described as restarters, and a routine ephemeral pop music album is not dominant among them. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are only 7 articles in all of WP that have the word "restarter" in them, and four of them refer to this album. That's a majority. That's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Dohn joe (talk) 15:20, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 October 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 17:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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• Restarter → Restarter (album)
• Restarter (disambiguation) → Restarter

– Resubmitted as a multimove after discussion with closer of July 'no consenus' single RM. At the time the only other topic considered apart from this very obscure album (Billboard US album chart number 133) was the main topic in books Restarter (UNIX). However there are other uses in books "Restarter" in the context of Startup company etc. (cf redirect Restarter (entrepreneur) which I have added). This album does not feature in a single Google Book hit for "restarter". Re the frequent misunderstanding that we disambiguate by article title please see WP:DISAMBIGUATION which states that we disambiguate by article content. The preceding sentence was added after most of the below comments were directed at the original wording. See WP:REDACT. Dohn joe (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose as last time. There is still one article (this one), and a redirect. And again, the majority of WP articles with the word "restarter" in them refer to this album. Dohn joe (talk) 03:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Pick almost any word in the English language and the majority of Wikipedia mentions will relate to entertainment products. As per Talk:Parachutes (album). This is one of the problems of an encyclopedia which is wagged by the tail of a giant ball of non-Britannica-notable entertainment content. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose as before. There are still no other competing articles, or even real topics, of this name. Other than the album, the only two listed uses on the newly-created dab page are barely connected to the articles they link to. The "Restarter" in computing is mentioned once in Service Management Facility, which is a related but distinct concept. "Restarter" as mentioned briefly at startup company is relatively obscure.--Cúchullain ^t/c 03:23, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

  The mention and redirect to startup company were created by the nom in the past 24 hours. Not that they aren't valid, but it points to obscurity. Dohn joe (talk) 03:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Well I can only pray that God will forgive me for adding content to the encylopedia that is based on reliable sources rather than the latest bit of pop/anime/games merchandising. Mea maxima culpa.

User:Cuchullain you say "relatively" but what is the ratio of mentions of this album relative to other uses of restarter in start ups or relative to Unix restarter in Google Books? In what way is this album "relatively" less obscure than all other uses of restarter combined? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

What matters, of course, is topics covered on Wikipedia. There is no article covering the "UNIX restarter", whether as its own article or part of another. The feature is mentioned but not explained at System Management Facility (nor should it be, the concepts are distinct). Startup company now contains some coverage of "restarters", thanks to you, but the term is still quite obscure. As far as Google books goes, most of what I see are technical manuals discussing the computing restarter, and irrelevant uses. Obviously there will be few books covering an album that came just out 8 months ago, but other sources are easily found. I just don't see many readers getting confused.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose no other notable articles are titled "Restarter", so DAB is unnecessary Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per all the aboves, there is no need for disambiguation here. Calidum 01:21, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
• Can I request that this RM be relisted to allow a wider spectrum of editors to participate who don't share the disambiguation by title reading of WP:DISAMBIGUATION to balance out the above? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The RM just started yesterday. If after the listing period it needs more input, it can be relisted then.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. While I understand where In ictu oculi comes from, we have this situation quite often: several obscure terms share a common-sounding word, but without an obvious encyclopedic target. If one of those obscure terms obviously dominates over others (in popular culture or elsewhere), we call it WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and move on. Let's not forget we're here for readers: the album has ~600 monthly hits, meaning that we simplified searching for at least some percent of the population. If the dab page (created few days ago) shows a different trend, let's revisit the issue in a couple of months. No such user (talk) 10:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Same rationale as previous RM. sst✈ 11:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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