Talk:Richard F. Lyon (judge)

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==Notes==

from his great-granddaughter Eleanor Lyon Duke:

Born 9 September 1819, Lincoln County, Georgia

Son of Thomas Pickett Lyon and Mary Winn Lyon

Married Rush Esther Knowles 17 June 1841

Died 26 May 1894, Macon County, Georgia

Buried in unmarked grave in Rose Hill Cemetery, Macon.

Admitted to the Bar. Starkville, Lee Co., Georgia, 1839

Member of Albany Guards 1856

Mayor of Albany Georgia 1858–1859

City Attorney and Representative of Dougherty Co. in State Legislature 1872–1874

Attorney for the Central of Georgia Railroad

Associate Justice of the Confederate Supreme Court of Georgia 1860–1865

Sources:

Georgia Reports. 1893. Volume XCIII: 829–834 (the name of his wife is in error in this report).

Bibb Co., Georgia Minute Book 30: 401–403.

Obiturary. Macon Telegraph 26 or 27, 1894.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerzy (talk • contribs) 17:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Puffery

Was a talented attorney... prominent... etc. It was discussed in the other Richard Lyon article that User:DickLyon is the subject's great grand son. So, this looks to be an attempt to upsell his family name. I looked in references that were available. In ref #1, he was just a name in a list among many of those with "legal talent" or another way of saying lawyers", not that he is a prominent talented attorney. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 23:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

This guy was one of the first supreme court justices of Georgia, was the mayor of a city, was a member of the Georgia State Legislature, ran for other substantial political offices, and owned a house used as the headquarters of William Tecumseh Sherman and used later as the site of the Atlanta City Hall. That's good enough for me. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 2 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved: Engineer as the primary Richard F. Lyon; attorney as Richard F. Lyon (judge). There is no controversy here – I could have done this without an RM (as suggested by both people who commented), so just closing and proceeding. (non-admin closure) —BarrelProof (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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• Richard F. Lyon → Richard F. Lyon (attorney)
• Richard Francis Lyon → Richard Lyon (engineer)

– The full name of both of these people is "Richard Francis Lyon" (ignoring the optionally appended "Sr." for the first one). Reviewing the sources cited in the Richard Francis Lyon article, that person's common name and the name used on his publications does not include "Francis" – the middle name is only in the title for disambiguation purposes, which is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines and fails to actually distinguish him from his ancestor. There is no indication that the attorney is a proper primary topic. On the contrary, the engineer's article is substantially more dominant as measured by page views (about 8 times as many page views in the last 90 days). The engineer has substantial notability, including development of the first optical mouse, co-founding Foveon, creating the first single-chip Ethernet device, developing a widely influential model of human hearing, various developments in image sensor technology, and development of notable handwriting technology. For the engineer, there are several other alternatives that may also be worth considering: 1) including the middle initial, since he does seem to use it for attribution in formal publications (although it is avoided using a pipe in the Foveon article); 2) using "Dick Lyon" instead of "Richard Lyon", since that seems to be his informal name; 3) using "inventor" instead of "engineer" as the disambiguator, since he is notable as an inventor (although that excludes some other aspects of his notability); and 4) Placing him at Richard F. Lyon as primary, with a WP:TWODABS hatnote for the attorney. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

• Comment – I suggest Richard F. Lyon (engineer) and Richard F. Lyon (jurist) or Richard F. Lyon (judge). Richard Lyon (engineer) is still ambiguous with Richard H. Lyon of MIT and RH Lyon Corp, and Richard F. Lyon (attorney) is ambiguous with Philo Farnsworth's patent attorney by that name. And I apologize for creating a poorly titled stub about myself before I knew the ways of Wikipedia. Dicklyon (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

  Agree. I guess I wasn't reading the article closely enough when I wrote the above to notice that he was a supreme court justice. "Judge" is probably more familiar to most people than "jurist". —BarrelProof (talk) 20:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

  It might be cleanest to revise your proposal before anyone else comments. Or cancel/close/revert or something and start over with a the revised proposal. Or withdraw and just do it, as there's no reason to think it will be controversial. Dicklyon (talk) 04:18, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

  Just do it (Nike symbol here). (Although the aforementioned engineer, because of his universally used invention, probably should be primary for 'Richard F. Lyon' , and if this RM stays open that's the way it should go). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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