Talk:Richard Harris/Archive 1

Archive 1

Birthdate

Some sources say that Richard Harris was born in 1933 instead of 1930. Why is this? Were some birth records wrong? --Marcus2 23:06, 10 June 2004 (UTC)

I was about to rv your amendment 1933 to 1930, but you beat me to it Marcus2. Google seems to make it pretty clear it was the earlier date - especially the refs to him being over 70 years old when he died. Cheers Moriori 22:13, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, but that doesn't answer my question. It was, "Some sources say that Richard Harris was born in 1933 instead of 1930. Why is this? Were some birth records wrong?" And what is ref short for, reference? --Marcus2 11:24, 11 June 2004 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to the question. I'd guess someone, somewhere made a typo which was subsequently picked up by a couple of others.. Yep, refs are references.Moriori 21:21, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Filmography

When can we have a filmography and discography for this artist. He had done some spoken-word readings on record - "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" and "The Prophet". -- --SimonMackay 8 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)

Why does he have a discography and not a filmography? This is insane 80.177.170.112 18:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

"Man Called Horse"!

How CAN you omit the "Man called Horse" films??!! You may look upon his performance as excentric; but outstanding and a milestone it is in any case! Yog-S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.102.107.241 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 1 December 2006‎

Perhaps you added the reference to the movie in the beginning of the article. However, it looks strange there, without any other further reference in the main article. Perhaps you may add some more information in the section discussing his filmography. Nazroon 05:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Support for the IRA

I've added the {{unreferenced}} tag to this section, as no sources or references were provided and I can't find anything to back this up via Google. I intend to remove the paragraph entirely if no source for these claims is provided. Demiurge 17:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Harris's vocal support for the IRA from 1973 until 1983 is well known and is included in every biography of the actor. You must restore the information to the article in order to present an accurate view of the man and his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.98 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

There should be something about the IRA support on this page, he was an apologist for the IRA and strongly believed in their cause AngryAfghan 17:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

That's like saying Americans are apologists for their founding fathers. Of course he believed in their cause. Anyone who actually Knows the history of the conflict and its catalysts will most likely take the side of the opressed rising up to demand the most basic of rights from the invading opressors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:864B:500:9022:494B:88F4:E59C (talk) 06:18, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

" ...the invading opressors ...." I think you'll find that if Ireland's then-rulers had not always allied themselves with England's enemies, usually Catholic ones, and more powerful ones at that, thus laying England and Wales open to possible 'invasion by the back door', then it would not have been necessary for England, Initially under Edward I, to become 'the invading opressors'.

JFYI, England, and later Great Britain, has had a 750-year history of repeated war with (Catholic) France and (Catholic) Spain, both enemies who have tried to invade Great Britain, and if anyone thinks that the British were going to allow anyone else, especially a close neighbour, to make it easier for them to invade then they really don't know the British character at all. Ireland has historically, like France and Spain, also been a Catholic nation. See the connection.

And the 'religious divide' had nothing to do with religion per se. It's to do with whether you can rely on a fellow countryman not to stab you in the back during a time of national crisis such as a war.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.10.248 (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 11:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Richard Harris (actor) → Richard Harris … Rationale: Richard Harris (actor) is likely the article wanted and Richard Harris (politician) is a redirect to Dick Harris. All others listed at (the newly-created) Richard Harris (disambiguation) are either dead or not notable enough to currently have an article. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Richard Harris (actor). —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 22:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support. See above. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 22:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Support. Seems an obvious move to me, I feel it's likely that the vast majority of readers will be looking for the actor. Note that "being dead" doesn't prevent someone being relevant in the encyclopedia, a good thing too as Mr Harris is sadly no longer with us. — Estarriol ^talk 11:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Duh, I knew that. Stupid me. Anyway, I was referring to Richard Harris (prospector), who has been dead since 1907. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 02:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Support, Gordon's reasons above make sense to me. Demiurge 12:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The song

should the reference to MacArthur Park be in the beginning of the article? --AnYoNe! 21:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Title

Should he be classed as a sir after all he was knighted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.81.20 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 25 July 2007‎

Did he have British or Commonwealth Citizenship? If he did not he cannot be called 'Sir' as his knighthood would be honourary, such as Spike Milligan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.179.157 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 24 December 2007

Knights of Malta is honourary, a person holding this title cannot call himself "Sir" In the 1980's one could buy a Malta Knighthood for $10,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.10.231 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 16 October 2008‎

He was not known by that name anyway. -- Beardo (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

While Beardo is correct re: British and Commonwealth Citizenship we must remember that Harris was born in Ireland in the 1930's. Historically this was then the Irish Free State/Ireland which had Dominion status and was not officially a Republic until 1949. Thus if he were offered a knighthood and accepted he would have been entitled to be called Sir. (Sir Tony O'Reilly/Sir Terry Wogan for examples). Those born later in what became a Republic have honorary titles (Bob Geldof). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.97.85 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 7 July 2009‎

There's some misconception going on here. When a person is awarded a British knighthood, the only thing that matters as far as whether it's substantive or honorary is their citizenship at the time of the award. Harris may have been born a Mongolian citizen, then became a Uruguayan citizen, then a Dutch one. But if he then became a British citizen, and after that he were awarded a knighthood, he would be "Sir Richard Harris". That would also apply if he were a citizen of any other Commonwealth realm, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. But he was never given a British knighthood, and the one he was was given (Knight of Malta) did not entitle him to be known as "Sir", and even if it were a British award (which it wasn't), it happened when he was not a citizen of a Commonwealth realm. Terry Wogan was awarded a British knighthood at a time when he was not a British citizen, so he was not "Sir" Terry Wogan, just Mr Terry Wogan KBE. But later that same year, he adopted British citizenship and his honorary knighthood was converted into a substantive one, and only then did he become "Sir Terry Wogan KBE". -- JackofOz (talk) 23:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's quite as simple as citizenship at the time of the award. Elizabeth Taylor was born in the UK to US parents. She is legitimately referred to as Dame by being born a British subject, without - and I'm willing to be corrected here - being a British citizen at the time of the award. It would appear entitlement can be based on being born under the UK crown. This would again bring us back to the likes of Harris and Wogan - who were born in the Irish Free State/Ireland - still technically under the Crown at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.57.53 (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Songwriter

The opening line describes him as a songwriter but the bio only mentions one song. Writing one song hadly merits the use of songwriter as the description, does it ? -- Beardo (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I dunno; does writing only one book disqualify a person from being called an "author"? intooblv (talk) 04:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone cares about this any more, given how long ago the above comments were posted, but I just corrected the section that credited Harris with writing "There are Too Many Saviours On My Cross"; this is a spoken-word poem, and the album label credits him only with writing and arranging the accompanying melody. The poem was apparently (i.e., according to the label) written by a "Dr T James", but I can't find out anything about him. 144.131.31.244 (talk) 11:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I've removed this sentence - "Harris also wrote and arranged the orchestral accompaniment for one of the tracks, a scathing commentary on the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland delivered as a spoken-word poem written by Dr T James and entitled "There are Too Many Saviours on My Cross"." - as it infers that the track in question was on "The Yard Went On Forever", and it wasn't - it was on the "Slides" album. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I see this is a 9 year old issue. I changed the lede to call him a 'actors and singer' and removed all the other things he has done. The lede is to establish notability. He is also an alcoholic, car driver and right handed but we don't include those in the lede, although they are indeed true. Ashmoo (talk) 10:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposed change to Harris primary topic

At present if you type "Harris" into the wikipedia search box you are taken to the Isle of Harrises entry! As there are many uses of the word Harris it has been proposed to change this so that when you type "Harris" you are taken to the Harris (disambiguation) page instead.

If you support/oppose this move or have any comments please add your input to the Harris Talk page.

Thanks --WickerWiki (talk) 19:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Period after St

The article names him Richard St. John Harris but this may be wrong. In British English, abbreviations that include the last letter are not followed by a period.

He would be Richard St John Harris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.111.187 (talk) 23:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The lede has his middle name as "Saint John", but the info box has "St. John". It can't be both. This needs to be fixed. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

"a gunfighter in the Clint Eastwood directed western Unforgiven (1992)"

For all the other films, only the name and year are mentioned. I would suggest the same: "a gunfighter in Unforgiven (1992)". Agreed? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 05:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Philosopher versus Sorcerer

Several days ago IP address 96.248.228.21 changed the two mentions of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" to "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" along with the two links associated with them. I changed it back today. If that person is reading this, I just wanted to explain that the original British title of both the book and the movie is in fact Philosopher's and not Sorcerer's. The American publisher changed it to Sorcerer's because they figured it sounded more exciting and would sell more copies. They could have simply kept the original title for the movie in all countries, but instead followed suit and titled it Sorcerer's in the U.S. and Philosopher's everywhere else. Any takes in the film where the Stone itself is mentioned were shot as two different versions in order to stay consistent with the title in whatever country it was being shown.

Please note that the author is British, and the movies were filmed in Britain, and therefore all mentions on Wikipedia should be the original British version, except when noting that the American title is different. Furthermore, Richard Harris was Irish, which is another reason to not use the American version on his page. Please also note that the Wikipedia pages for both the book and film redirect from the American version to the British version.

For some background, the concept of a Philosopher's Stone has been around for centuries, and is supposed to have properties similar to those mentioned in the book and film. Nicolas Flamel, the unseen character from the book and film, was in fact a real person who tried to make one several centuries ago. In my humble opinion, the change was an insult to the overall intelligence of American readers. It was unnecessary and detracts from the real-life historical connections in the story. To this day the author regrets allowing the change.

In the future, please check facts before editing pages to what you believe is correct. Thank you. Klopek007 (talk) 08:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Use of non-free images

Two non-free images were added to the article but neither has a fair-use rationale, a necessary requirement for using any non-free image per non-free content criteria. If a completed, well justified, rationale is written the images might be retained but otherwise you cannot use them here. Sorry. ww2censor (talk) 15:15, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Later Career Correction

It is stated that Richard Harris died in October of 2002; how, then, could he have voiced animation in 2003?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.13.32 (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Because the movie he voiced in 2002 was released in 2003 ? Oliver Reed died before "Gladiator" was finished, but he's still in it. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 14:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Albus Dumbledore inset

Considering his 'Late Career' section explicitly states via quotations that he was unhappy with being primarily associated with his role in the Harry Potter series posthumously, perhaps it would be wise to change the inset image to another of his later roles? As it stands, it seems almost disrespectful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.85.54 (talk) 02:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing an acclaimed film starring Richard Harris, the Hallmark Hall of Fame's "The Snow Goose"

Your criteria for editing is very impressive but this is common knowledge and you neglected to cite what was one of Richard Harris's greatest performances. THE SNOW GOOSE written by Paul Gallico and was produced by Hallmark Hall of Fame starring Richard Harris as the tortured, lonely Artist with a bird sanctuary, living in a lighthouse during WWII. It is being carefully stored in the UCLA Film and television foundation Archive, also Hallmark Hall of Fame can provide you a list of their archived films. THE SNOW GOOSE was aired on television in both 1971 and 1972, but it has also been recovered and can be viewed on You Tube. It was produced in the time of video tapping and sadly the stolen tapes are rather poor in quality. The film has a contoversy surrounding the soundtrack produced by the rock band, Camel, which the author unfortunately did not endorse.

If I have any credibility as a living human, I am 54 years old and I personally saw this film aired at Christmas, both 1971 and 1972 when I was 14 and 15 years old. LaurenMcCarter (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Support for IRA statement citation

I HAVE HERE A LINK THAT PROVES THE CITATION REQUIRED ABOUT HARRIS'S SUPPORT OF THE IRA. ALSO GOES TO DISPROVE PART OF THE STATEMENT THAT SAYS AFTER HARRODS BOMBING HE STOPPED SUPPORTING THEM.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19840124&id=4apPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HgYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5329,4273635

I cant figure out how to put the link into the part where the citation should be. Can someone do this for me?

Also here, I found from another newspaper his crusading AGAINST their fundraising in the US http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GNYlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MP0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6372,5324388

It seems Mr Harris was a complicated and contradictory man, just like most of us - I happen to believe he supported the ideas but not the violence that ultimately comes with terrorism

All terrorism is wrong and I think after a time he came to that reasoned conclusion himself

Over 51% of all the people the British killed were civillians. Will you also denounce them as terrorists? 85% of all the people the British backed loyalists killed were civillians. Now, of all the people the I.R.A and other republicans killed, 35% were civillians. That's not a good number, but it's a hell of a lot better than the invading, opressing British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:864B:500:9022:494B:88F4:E59C (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

VinDibs (talk) 20:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Career

Career - Should include his role as Terence O'Brien in the 1959 film "Shake Hands with The Devil" headlined by James Cagney and filmed at the Ardmore Studios, Herbert Road, Bray, County Wicklow, Ireland. This may ahve been Harris' first film. ref = IMDb.com database 66.177.251.185 (talk) 01:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

"Alive and Kicking" was his first film. For some reason the imdb lists it as a 1964 release, even though it was filmed in 1958. (92.11.204.9 (talk) 16:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC))

Picture

No newer one? --Diblidabliduu (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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