Talk:Richard Washbourn

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Collingwood Area School

• ... that Rear Admiral Richard Washbourn bought the bell of HMS Chevron for £8 and donated it to Collingwood School (pictured)? Source: https://brisray.com/dad/chevron-bell.htm In December 1964 Admiral Washbourn purchased HMS Chevron's bell as Lot #54 from the dockyard at Rosyth, Scotland for £8. ... Admiral Washbourn wrote that "Collingwood is a very remote little settlement one hundred miles from the nearest town and it will do the young good to have some reminder of the world outside... even if that reminder only serves the mundane purpose of calling them to their studies." Again to Lt. Cdr. Kemp on 30th September, 1965, "Pity we can't make it [the history of the ship] a bit more glamorous! However she got around a bit, and the pupils of Collingwood will have a bell which will have covered the waters between the Eastern Atlantic and the Persian Gulf."
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  • Comment: Using 2 QPQ as this is my first nomination. Collingwood Area School expanded 5 x in the last 7 days.

Created by Paora (talk) and Giantflightlessbirds (talk). Nominated by Paora (talk) at 02:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Richard Washbourn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• For clarity, the Richard Washbourn article is new, while the Collingwood Area School article is a five-times expansion. Schwede66 10:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Paora and Giantflightlessbirds, I've talked to the school as to whether I can take a photo of the bell. Yes, it's currently in storage, they could dig it out, but they don't want any attention drawn to the bell for fear of theft. Bummer. I've nominated the waharoa image instead; hope that suits. Schwede66 09:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Both articles:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - yes There is some slightly too-close paraphrasing on Washbourn's article. The school's article is good.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Paora and Giantflightlessbirds: Nice work on these articles. There is just one issue with the nomination, which I've noted above. Epicgenius (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Most of the text that is being flagged as a possible copyright violation is the verbatim quoting of the citation for Washbourn's DSO in 1940. The citation is taken from the London Gazette, no. 34796, second supplement, page 1058. All content on The Gazette website is published under the Open Government Licence v3.0, so the exact quote of the DSO citation should not be an issue. Paora (talk) 08:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Paora: Sounds good. Assuming the London Gazette citation is online, I think all you need to do is to add that citation to the quote, and then add Template:OGL-attribution to the citation. (I think it would be best to link the London Gazette citation directly rather than linking to this secondary website.) Epicgenius (talk) 13:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Done! Paora (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Good to go. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Paora, Epicgenius, Giantflightlessbirds, and Schwede66: I am not entirely sure about the "brisray" source used to support the hook. It appears to be a blog type site run by one person. Bruxton (talk) 20:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Bruxton, yes, it's a blog. However, the information is fully documented with scans of primary sources and backed up with photos, showing the bell in-situ prior to the recent rebuilt of the school. We have the receipt that shows that he paid £8 at auction. We have a letter indicating that he planned to present the bell to the school in October 1965. And we have photos of the bell hanging at the school, showing that it came from the HMS Chevron. That should be good enough to back up the various hook facts, I'd say. Schwede66 03:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Bruxton, were you satisfied with my response? Schwede66 09:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Schwede66: I do not feel good about a blog being used to cite the hook; we should locate a more robust source. But I won't hold it up if another editor disagrees me. Bruxton (talk) 14:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)