Talk:Richard Wetz

Notes

Noting down here; it may not be worth inclusion in article. His death was memorialized in Erfurt with a concert containing his quartet in F minor and some lieder (page 246, Jg. 103 Neue Zeitschrift für Musik.) Then - Page 360 of the same issue notes a performance of the symphony no. 2 in Mannheim - p. 461, the second quartet, page 595 symphony number 3 of the same volume of this volume of the Zeitschrift. (Not sure if I looked further that day; this was during some research at the library, and I need to return to same.) Not surprisingly, some performance history after demise even for composers who are not household names. The 103 Jg. is a yearly expanse (not January-December, I think, I'll have to check, but still a years' worth of issues) with Jg. 87 having been released in 1920 and Jg 110 released in 1943. Again, probably partial list so far here. Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Any chance you have citations for those? We'd love to add sourced material. ~Kylu (u|t) 08:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

This is a well-written article, it just needs more citations in the Biography, Style, and Reception sections (although Style is of least importance) before it can be passed. The symphonies he is best known for should also be named in the lead. So, for now this will be on hold. --~ Joe Jklin (T C) 02:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's a list that might help with improvements --~ Joe Jklin (T C) 02:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

Going to try to find an audio clip, somewhere, and perhaps some links to currently available works without looking like I'm spamming. Hm. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)\

GA Failed. Not enough improvement were made in the seven days in order to pass it. This article still needs more reliable citations and could use a good image or two. You can see my comments above for further improvements~ Joe Jklin (T C) 03:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers review of its B-class articles. This article is fairly high quality; it requires a few things to achieve an A rating; and a few (different) things, noted in the GA review above, to merit GA consideration. My detailed review is on the comments page; questions or comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 21:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

One note that should probably go, despite whatever the (German) source says about him being one of "the great" late German Romantics. An almost unknown composer cannot be one of the "greats" - his music had no influence because it was virtually unheard, and he had little to no influence on other composers - and per the article itself, appeared to be very derivative of Bruckner - the author sounds like he is too attached to Wetz as a personal favorite, and is making claims that cannot be justified. Until CPO began issuing his music on compact disc at the turn of the 21st century, who had really heard of him? The New Grove, for instance, makes no such claims on his stature. 98.67.186.31 (talk) 00:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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==Composers Project Assessment of Richard Wetz: 2008-11-28== This is an assessment of article Richard Wetz by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described? Good ===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Good, but no personal details ===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Good, but no personal details ===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article. Good ===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)? Good, although contemporaneous public/critical reception is weakly mentioned ===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.) Imagery is adequate; there could be more, or those there are better distributed. No sound. ===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references? Article appears to be well-referenced, but there are no inline citations (article has banner saying so) ===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.) Lead is too short, and does not summarize the major points of the article ===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD) ===Summary=== This is a fairly nice professional and musical biography. Beyond the early years it is lacking in personal details; we do not know if he married or had children (or why he might not have). His professional career is well-covered, as are notable points in his composing career. The style and reception of his music are also fairly well-covered, although contemporaneous reception of his works is only touched on, and might deserve mention. All of his works are all listed. The article has previously failed GA nomination; the reasons for this failure are still apparent: lack of inline citations. More imagery would be of benefit to the article. I give this article a strong B rating; it does not need a great deal of work to achieve an A (more personal details, better contemporaneous coverage). Different work (the lead, and inline citations) would be needed for GA review. Magic♪piano 21:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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