Talk:Richmond Hill station (LIRR)

Accident details

This article is incorrect with respect to the crash it describes.

While the crash took place near the border of the Kew Gardens and Richmond Hill neighborhoods, it did not take place at the Richmond Hill station and, in fact, did not even take place on the same line.

The Richmond Hill station is on the unelectrified Lower Montauk line. The crash, which involved two electrified trains (which would have been incapable of running on the Lower Montauk) and which originated in Penn Station (which does not connect with the Lower Montauk except through rarely used reverse moves), occured during rush hour on the heavily used Main Line, near the Kew Gardens station.

66.208.51.26 (talk) 15:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Everything I've read indicated that the crash was at Richmond Hill Station. ----DanTD (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Read the first reference cited. It begins "On a stretch of track east of the Kew Gardens Long Island Rail Road Station". 82.36.26.70 (talk) 23:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I see where the dispute lies;

Although press accounts at the time described that area as Richmond Hill, neighborhood boundaries have long since changed. Today, the site of the collision is considered to be in Kew Gardens.

I did have a sentence in the article about the collision site being moved to Kew Gardens from Richmond Hill. I don't know if the crash made people around suddenly decide they wanted to be part of Kew Gardens instead of Richmond Hill, which is why I hid the text. Either way, I've always read that it was in Richmond Hill, not Kew Gardens. ----DanTD (talk) 01:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a few links that establish that the site of the crash in 1950 is near the Kew Gardens station.

1. A photo of a train involved in the incident. Notice the electrified third rail in the photo. The Richmond Hill station has no third rail.
2. The ICC Report of the accident. The report describes the location as follows.

   This accident occurred on that part of the railroad extending between Harold [Interlocking], 3.7 miles east of Pennsylvania Station, New York, and Jamaica, N. Y., a distance of 7.5 miles. In the vicinity of the point of accident this is a four-track line, over which trains moving with the current of traffic are operated by signal indications. The tracks are equipped with power rails for the electric propulsion of tramp. The main tracks from south to north are designated as No. 4 and No. 2, eastward, and No. 1 and No. 3, westward. The accident occurred on track No. 2 at a point 6.27 miles east of Harold and 1.23 miles west of Jamaica. From the west on track No. 2 there is a 1 degrees curve to the right 2,408 feet in length and then a tangent 4,665 feet to the point of accident and 1,868 feet eastward. The grade for east-bound trains is 0.3 percent ascending throughout a distance of more than 4,000 feet, then 0.4 percent descending 2,770 feet to the point of accident and a considerable distance eastward.

   The Richmond Hill station is not on a line that connects with Harold interlocking. The lines which run east from Harold are the LIRR Main Line to Jamaica (which Kew Gardens station is located), the LIRR Port Washington line, and the Amtrak line to Hell Gate Bridge. Further, the Richmond Hill station consists of an island platform on a 2-track line.
3. A Diagram of the Accident Scene from the ICC Report. According to the diagram, the point of the accident is 1,960 ft. east of the Kew Gardens station.
4. I believe I have presented enough evidence to prove and establish the location as the Kew Gardens LIRR station, not Richmond Hill. As such, I will proceed with correcting the information.R36 (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I was going to offer to transfer this info to the Kew Gardens (LIRR station) article, but I see you did this yourself. On another topic, perhaps somebody can explain when and why the border of Richmond Hill and Kew Gardens was changed. ----DanTD (talk) 13:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be more appropriate for the History section in articles of the respective neighborhoods: Kew Gardens, Queens and Richmond Hill, Queens. R36 (talk) 17:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 19:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Epicgenius: Now for ruin –♠Vami_IV†♠ 19:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Prose

• To quote editor Username6892 (talk · contribs), the lead should discuss the history in brief.
  •  Done @Vami IV: I have done these. epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• the station became a hotbed for the homeless along with animals, and an illegal waste dumping site.[12][13][15][16][17][18] This does not need six citations.
  •  Done
• east to Lefferts Avenue.[6][8][9][10] [...] The area has been used as parking space in the past.[12][13][15][16] Nor these four.
  •  Done

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that by the time New York City's Richmond Hill station was closed, it had one daily passenger on average? Source: NY Times 1998
  • ALT1:... that New York City's Richmond Hill station had one daily passenger on average when it was closed? Source: NY Times 1998
  • ALT2:... that the Richmond Hill station, which was closed because of the expense of upgrading other Long Island Rail Road stations, had one daily passenger on average upon its closure? Source: NY Times 1998

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pacific Mall
• Comment: This article was promoted to good article status, not created.

Created by Tdorante10 (talk) and Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 23:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC).

• — Article was promoted to GA status within the last seven days. It includes proper citations and is well-sourced throughout, with no copyvio or neutrality issues. ALT0 hook is short enough, quite interesting, properly sourced in the prose, accurate, and neutral. QPQ has been done. Good to go! Aria1561 (talk) 02:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)