Talk:Rick Rypien

Suicide

No where has it been confirmed the cause of death is suicide. Yeah we all know it, be we don't really, nor do we have official proof. So just because we think it is it shouldn't be in an encyclopedia. The source linked mentions NOTHING of suicide. So unless a trusted source is found that says for sure suicide, the article should not say "the cause of death confirmed as suicide", at least drop the confirmed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.42.140 (talk) 08:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The referenced article states "It has since been confirmed Rypien took his own life after battling depression." Taking one own life is by definition suicide. There is also this recent article on TSN that specifically states he committed suicide.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 13:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request 16 August 2011

Hi, sorry, this -- semi-protected, and the Discussion page too -- is totally new to me. Could we remove or re-write the last half-sentence of the "playing career" section? "Never managed to get into a single game with his new team" does NOT clarify the situation as the poster claims, in fact, it does the opposite. It implies there were games during the period from his signing to his death and that he tried/wanted to play but couldn't for whatever reason. Something like, "Rypien died in the off-season before his first training camp with the Jets", is more accurate. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.75.101 (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I've made it closer to that. Hope it improves things. If you create a Wikipedia sign-in/screen name for yourself, you will be able to edit semi-protected articles. Brettalan (talk) 05:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Abcnck, 16 August 2011

Please take out the 'crazy' reference. That was written by a malicious and disrespectful user. Mike Gillis did not say that.

Abcnck (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 Done--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 14:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC) Looks like this and another edit by the same repeat vandal were made just before the update about signing with the Jets and were lost in the shuffle.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

_{Marking as answered. Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)}

Citation stacking

Citation stacking is pointless. Why have 5 references to verify the fact that he was found dead? 1 reliable source is sufficient. Citations are not to be used for 'further reading' purposes but for verification. I removed some of the citations last night, but someone added them back, so per 1RR philosophy, here we are. Wikipedia:Citation overkill CharlieEchoTango 16:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

From what I remembered last night, the references provided different information about his death, which was mentioned in the text, thus I re-added them.--Giants27(T|C) 16:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

"A family member has found Rypien dead in his house". All the references verify that fact, there is nothing else to verify, one citation is sufficient. When more information comes along, it will be cited appropriately, but right now, 5 sources to verify the same fact is overkill. If other reference provide more information, include them in the article and cite them with that ref, but citations are not to be used for 'further reading' purposes. Cheers, CharlieEchoTango 16:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I removed them all. After quickly scanning through the articles just now, I noticed that they all pretty much say the same thing. I swear, last night, they all said different things that were mentioned in the sentence of his death, haha. Cheers,--Giants27(T|C) 16:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks! CharlieEchoTango 16:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Mike Gillis misquoted due to Wikipedia

It has been reported (see The Province's article [1]), that The Toronto Star misquoted Mike Gillis as saying Rick Rypien was "crazy". According to this follow-up article from The Province, the Toronto Star has since apologized, and edited the online version of their article; but the words appeared in Tuesday's print version of the paper.

The quote in question was "When you come to know somebody and realize they’re a really good person, but crazy.. ". As noted a few sections above, the quote was correct except for the phrase "but crazy", which was added (here is the edit) by the IP address 68.171.231.80, to Gillis' quote. This vandalism occurred on July 3, during a string of vandalism from that editor, most of which as reverted; but this particular addition went unnoticed until shortly after his death.

The Province noted that "The quote was apparently taken from a vandalized Wikipedia entry", and I would have to agree. I suppose this misquoting story could be added to his article.. it's unfortunate that editors let this vandalism stay for over a month, but it's even more worrying that a major newspaper quoted directly from Wikipedia without doing even the most basic fact-checking! Mlm42 (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

This has been noted and discussed. The addition of this information to this particular article would be inappropriate per WP:SUBJECT—that is, that story is not about Rick Rypien; it's about the Toronto Star's foul-up. If it were to go in any article, it'd be theirs, though I don't know how notable it would be considered in the context of the paper's history.  Cjmclark ^(Contact) 01:19, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. Can you point me to that discussion? Mlm42 (talk) 02:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure it has been explicitly discussed for this situation, so we might as well hold it now. Personally, I agree with the removal. The issue of vandalism, Wikipedia and media sources idiotic enough to take comments from this project without proper verification is something that would belong at a place like Criticism of Wikipedia or Media outlets that make very, very, very dumb decisions. But it is not relevant to Rick Rypien himself, so serves little purpose on his biography. Personally, I think the link at the top of this talk page is sufficient. Resolute 02:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

The Mike Gillis misquote issue was discussed over at AN/I here (it's more a discussion of potential legal ramifications and whether or not Pending Changes should be implemented). User:SmashTheState made the edit you're suggesting here, and was reverted by User:SarekOfVulcan on the basis of WP:SUBJECT. SmashTheState then added the media template at the top of this page. As the story in question is about quality control at the Toronto Star and on Wikipedia, it has no place in Rick Rypien's biographical article.  Cjmclark ^(Contact) 03:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies; they make sense. Mlm42 (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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