Talk:Lord Voldemort

"Voldemort" name comes from french

The article is unclear about the origins of the name "Voldemort"

"Some literary analysts have considered possible meanings in the name: Philip Nel believes that Voldemort is derived from the French vol de mort which means flight of death"

Voldemort is indeed coined with french words. That is not only a supposition made by a searcher.

JKR confirmed it comes from "Vol De Mort", please see article below

https://metro.co.uk/2009/02/04/rowling-sorry-for-voldemorts-name-416158/

In my view, this is relevant and it should be specified in the article.

Any thoughts ? Thanks, --Ablabla (talk) 01:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

This is alrady in the article, in the Character development section. —El Millo (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

If i am not mistaken, there is nothing more in this section than what I've already cited. And as explained, it is not enough to say that a searcher thinks that it comes from french... It does come from french and JKR confirmed it. Can you see the difference ? Thanks, --Ablabla (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Metro is an unreliable source, and I was unable to find any reliable source that actually says Rowling says that's what it means. —El Millo (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Did you try french newspapers ?

http://www.slate.fr/story/106685/prononcer-nom-voldemort

--Ablabla (talk) 09:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

That still doesn't say that's the meaning according to J.K. Rowling. She just says the pronunciation is as if it were French. —El Millo (talk) 17:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Did you read the article ? "Le nom Voldemort étant composé de trois mots français". --Ablabla (talk) 22:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The article says that, but it doesn't say J.K. Rowling says that, which what you're trying to include. The article never even cites the author saying its comprised of French words, only her tweet agreeing with the pronunciation with the silent 't'. —El Millo (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

It seems quite obvious to me that this article explains the french origins of the name Voldemort. And that JKR confirmed these origins. Would anyone else be kind enough to share one's opinion ? Thanks, --Ablabla (talk) 23:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, Rowling doesn't confirm it in that article. You can find another article in which it does, but it seems to me such a confirmation doesn't exist, as I've searched for it too and nothing else appears. —El Millo (talk) 23:48, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/the-different-meanings-behind-lord-voldemorts-many-names says JK Rowling has said it is french. Nerguy (talk) 03:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

That's what I'm talking about. —El Millo (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Removed the interpretation from analysts bit, stated now as a fact. —El Millo (talk) 04:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I object to that change; that site provides no citations or references. There is no way to check the assertion. It simply asserts that Rowling "has said"... where? when? exactly what did she say? I don't think that is a reference that fits the criteria of reliable source. Magidin (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

The site is official. Everything on the site is official. It's actually more a primary source than a secondary source. And I didn't include that "Rowling said it", I included as a fact, given that if it is included in this website, it's true, as it is the official website. —El Millo (talk) 16:53, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Your source says "Rowling said", with no citation, no date, no nothing. You turn a hearsay report into fact. That's doesn't solve the problem, that makes it two problems: reporting hearsay, and reporting it as if it were established fact. "The site is official"... Official what? "A hub for fans of Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts", i.e., a fan space. "Paternship between Warner Bros. and Pottermore." How is this a primary source within the meaning of Wikipedia? For this, primary source is direct writings and statements by Rowling; not a fan space with vague "she has said"s. And certainly, casting such vague attributions as fact just compounds the problem. Magidin (talk) 18:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Magidin it is her site, not just a fan site.Nerguy (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2022

it was confirmed by JK Rowling that the cursed child was indeed canon, I saw a edit that was removed because someone said it was not. I personally believe personal beliefs and feelings should be separated from canon facts. I believe they should put "Delphini" under relatives and state what she is to Lord Voldemort. It looks completely unprofessional that it isn't there when it was before. Thank you. 2600:1700:8CC0:3B40:28A5:F9CF:55F6:C910 (talk) 09:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

French meaning of voldermort

Rowling makes a mistake with the name: vol and fuire are the same but both are used in a other way.

Vol means to fly like a flight with aircraft.

Fuire means to flee.

She tried too say "flee for the death" but she said "flight for the death" so the correct spelling is fuire-demort, we dont know why she did make this mistake. 2001:1C05:2A0B:A000:4DFD:5AC:66B5:B7BB (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

This qualifies as original research, and we can't include it unless we have a reliable source pointing out the mistake. —El Millo (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Is Voldemort a "Warlord"?

I'm kind of thinking he is, based on description in the article ...he assembles a large army and launches an invasion of the castle... and also based on the opening line of the Warlord article - A warlord is a person who exercises military, economic, and political control over a region in a country Anyway, at the very least I'd prefer it if experienced editors abided by WP:BRD rather than reverting, even when debate is invited right from the outset: This one needs debate... Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Category

Category membership is governed by WP:CATV. Membership of a category must be verified. A warlord is not someone who controls an army. If you want to include it, you must provide citations describing him as a warlord. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing, but not for edit-warring, or reverting while the discussion is ongoing, or joining the discussion I opened above. Also, the definition of Warlord (as I point out above) disagrees with you regarding an army: a person who exercises military ... control over a region. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You are the one who has reverted two other editors. Also neither you, nor Wikipedia are WP:RS. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:29, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hm, sounds like a job for WP:BRD to me. Oh, look - that's what I did, and you ignored. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Last time I checked, WP:CAT was policy, WP:BRD was not. Have things changed since I last checked… oh no they’ve not. Condescending attitudes are not conducive to happy editing. GimliDotNet (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

For Pete's dragon's sake, could you cool it, you two? what are we talking about here? It was RedSorcery16 who has been adding incorrect categories and this is one of them. Voldemort is a fictional character, a villain, a master of the dark arts, a Mansonesque cult leader. By another definition, he is not a "supreme military leader" or "a military commander exercising civil power by force usually in a limited area". He and his merry band of pesky little magic using terrorists and their allies are not an army in the traditional sense. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

People who disregard WP:BRD just wind me up, especially when they're experienced editors, because condescending attitudes are not conducive to happy editing. Courtesy goes a long way to resolving conflict. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

PS: GimliDotNet used BRD as justification in their own edit for removing a cat right here... Weird, huh? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

It’s weird how many times you get involved at WP:ANI, funny that isn’t it. Almost as if you don’t follow the same guidelines you expect others to 🤔 GimliDotNet (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, that's somewhat out of the blue. I just had to search my own name in AN/I as I have genuinely no idea how often I appear there. Quite a lot of hits for the noticeboards in general - vandal and disruption reporting, that sort of thing, but not much on AN/I - the most recent - only a single editor commented with the opinion that it was a misunderstanding and should be closed. It was then archived with no dissension. Prior to that, my last incursion to AN/I was July 2022 - just commenting on a post, and before that February 2022, where the other involved party was blocked for harassment - of me.

Really not sure what your intention was with that statement. This doesn't seem to be helping the project. Good night. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Photo Change Request

Can we change the profile photo to this? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pure-evil-wiki/images/d/d3/Voldemort-Formal.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231214191749 I think it indicates his pure evil nature. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:E366:A700:B421:839E:7490:9A22 (talk) 05:20, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Better Call Saul

Is there any evidence that "he who shall not be named" in Better Call Saul is actually a reference to Voldemort? 2601:644:9083:5730:F532:353D:DC40:3B75 (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)