Talk:Rif Dimashq offensive (March–August 2013)

Otaiba/Otayibah

Are these two names for the same town or two different towns with similar names? If the former, can we please define a naming standard to avoid confusion?--197.174.75.92 (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

al-Qeisa town

3 rebel fighters were killed, 2 (1 from Dera'a) were killed by clashes in the Daraya city and al-Qeisa town of Reef Dimashq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.235.120 (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Syrian army renews offensive on Damascus rebels

Syrian army renews offensive on Damascus rebels, NGO says https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/syrian-army-renews-offensive-on-damascus-rebels-ngo-says92.113.211.187 (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hezbollah

Pure propaganda for stupid Americans poisoned by CNN shit!

5,000 Hezbollah fighters in Damascus? Well this is worse than Goebbels in WW2! Israeli Official data show that in the war Israel and Hezbollah participated 8-10 thousand fighters Hezbolajha. Today, Hezbollah still has the strongest military presence on the border of Lebanon and Israel and nonsense about 5,000 soldiers (50% of the power of Hezbollah at the time of a general mobilization) is a fairy tale for children. The frontier of Syria and Lebanon there are 70-80 villages inhabited by citizens of Lebanon (Shia Muslim sympathizers and Hezbollah voters) and when Wahhabis began to burn villages then Hezbollah has sent troops to the region (the city Kusair is nearby) but a fairy tale about 5,000 Hezbollah fighters in Damascus can not even hear on CNN. This lie is so preposterous that the source is set to the lie no mention 5,000 Hezbollah fighters in Damascus

All lies by sympathizers of terrorists, all fake news and propaganda maps can not hide the truth that terrorists in Damascus experienced disaster and SAA triumphal frees the occupied parts of Syria!

The official NATO research has explained the reason for terrorists disaster because 70% of the population supports Syrian President Assad, 20% are undecided and only 10% support FSA (for this reason, more than 1/2 FSA fighters are jihadists from abroad who have nothing to do with Syria)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article178779.html

Good luck in continuing spread propaganda and notorious lies (Damascus map has never looked so as it appears on the wiki) and SAA triumphal coming to the end of the war

Renewed Army push

Syrian army soldiers have succeeded in taking control over the al-Qaboun neighborhood of Rif Dimashq near capital Damascus.http://en.alalam.ir/news/149439037.52.30.91 (talk) 10:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Army mutiny

The texte about the druze mutiny is false because it a from a rebel scum's source who are know for they lies!!!!!This paragraphe must be push out of the page,NOW!!!!!!!

IT NOTHING MORE THAT A REBELS PROPAGANDA WHO HAS NOT THIS PLACE HERE!!!!!MY GOD,SAVE THE WORLD AND THE TRUTH FROM THE THE REBELS AND JOURNALIST

The article must be closed

The government offensive is over,per http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/opposition-advances-damascus

Source's reliability is questionable. This source is the only one that has mentioned a major offensive by the rebels. None of the highly reliable sources likes Reuters, BBC, AFP, AP, Guardian, Telegraph or even CNN have made mention of a major rebel offensive. In fact, most are reporting of the Army still being the one who is on the offensive, with Barzeh, Jobar and Qaboun being reported by the opposition SOHR to be under continues attack by the military. Not to mention that this dubious source is citing a youtube video as proof of this rebel offensive, which in itself is not allowed on Wikipedia. EkoGraf (talk) 21:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree with EkoGrafRogal Dorm (talk) 21:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Map

Hi guys. I've created the map currently viewable in the infobox to try and show the evolution of the offensive and the current frontlines. It's still quite WIP, and I don't doubt that there will be mistakes. If you spot any, please let me know and I'll update it. Many thanks! MrPenguin20 (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Good map ! But, the syrian army control the highway between Damascus and the International Airport. I do not have time to write everything down, but this afternoon I'll tell you what's missing ;)Rogal Dorm (talk) 05:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

- Control of this highway is important to note because it can cut both Ghoutas (eastern and western). It should also be noted that the two Ghoutas are now completely surrounded by the army.

- In Daraya, the army in entered Daraya and controls the majority of the city - Syrian army takes control of Ahmadiyah and Al-Ghizlaniyah near the airport - Syrian army control Adra, Jarmana - The Syrian army has launched an offensive Thursday against rebels in the Ghouta and enter Irbin, Harasta, Jobar, Zamalka and Ain TarmaRogal Dorm (talk) 10:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Great! I'll get working on it now :) MrPenguin20 (talk) 11:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I've updated it now. Was the airport road under government control pre-offensive? MrPenguin20 (talk) 12:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the government has never lost control of the highway. For me, the map is good now. Good job !! Rogal Dorm (talk) 12:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks. I'll update the pre-offensive frontline for the airport road then. MrPenguin20 (talk) 12:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I forget the city of Sayyida Zaynab, which is controlled by the army but not reversed during the offensive. The city is home to a Shiite shrineRogal Dorm (talk) 09:51, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You shoudl edit the map and move the red line southwards from Yalda it should end up at the end of Sayiddah Zaynab which was never lost from government hands and the south of this town you have Az-Zyabeyeh which the government forces advanced into but haven't taken control so you should put a red arrow in the direction of this town and mark it as contested that's the only mistake i found on this map.Add this stuff and you have the perfect picture of the Rif Dimashq front.Daki122 (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Updated it now. MrPenguin20 (talk) 13:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

The army also entered in Irbin, Ain Tarma, Harasta and Zamalka as can be seen in the "Continued fighting." The army also progress in Al-Murj area taking several cities ("Renewed push Army"). Syrian army and Hezbollah capture Bahdaliyeh and Hay al Shamalneh ("Battle for the suburbs") ;) Rogal Dorm (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks. If we're not sure on exactly what towns in Murj al-Sultan have been taken I might just show it through an army advance. Also I'm not sure where Hay al Shamalneh is? I'd imagine it's close to Bahdaliyeh, but I can't seem to find it. MrPenguin20 (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

"On 6 July,[75] government forces overran the industrial area of Qaboun. With the capture of the industrial area Qaboun was besieged and rebel lines towards the town of Harasta were cut. T-72 tanks surrounded the district while artillery on high ground in the center of the capital heavily shelled Qaboun for a week.[1]"

Here is the map of the industrial area and the highway which are in government hands and are lunching pad for army atacks on Irbeen Harasta Jobar and the rest of Qaboun.I think its a useful info you should take in mind.

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.537496&lon=36.334512&z=16&m=b&search=Aleppo

the area has no housing and hosts a bus station and its wright between Jobar and Qaboun.Daki122 (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Updating now :) MrPenguin20 (talk) 01:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

And one more thing you should remove the green teritory and the contested one that is near Qrua al Assad.The mountain over damascus is hevely controled by the government and host the Jamraya research centre(the one you put contested) it host the 4th Division and all Republican guards brigades along with the 14th Special forces Division. The only town still controled by rebels near the border with Lebanon in Damascus is Al-Zabadani which is under army sige and is further to the north-west in the direction of Al-TallDaki122 (talk) 06:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not so sure. I had also figured that Northern Damascus would be under strong government control, due to the presence of several army and Republican Guard bases (not to mention the close proximity to the Presidential palace!), and such a belief is supported by maps such as that available at Gulf News. However I've seen other maps, such as that at the British Channel 4 News, and also at both pro-Government and pro-Opposition blogs placing it under opposition control. Interestingly as well that map that ended up on the internet earlier this year (the one allegedly taken from a dead soldier from the Republican Guard) showed parts North of Damascus under opposition control, although it would be possible for either the map to be a fake or for the Syrian Government to have recaptured such areas in the recent offensive. MrPenguin20 (talk) 11:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

As far as i know, the army is still besieging Muadamiyat, you should change that to contested. OberschIesien90 (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks MrPenguin20 (talk) 10:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Bout the north im prety sure that this is government controled area there is not so much towns or vilages where opposition fighters can stay as i said the only town there that is contested is Al-Zabadani which is up further north near LebanonDaki122 (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

There's quite a few villages that follow the valley floor inbetween the hills behind Damascus. These towns eventually link up with al-Zabadani. Just found another map of the Institute for the Study of War that claims the opposition controls up to Ashrafiyyat Alwadi. Then Jamraya seems to be contested/where the frontline is. MrPenguin20 (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Spend Jamraya adjustment under full control of the army be there nuchny center and military base http://theaviationist.com/2013/05/08/targets-hit-by-iaf/#.UiGJ3qDd03Q and the western part of Muadamiyat and Daraaya37.55.52.126 (talk) 07:20, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

22 August the Syrian army launched a new offensive against rebel positions in the Rif Dimashq by heavy bombing and many battles, according to an opposition activist on site, the Syrian army entered Erbine, Harasta, Jobar, Zamalka and Ain Tarma but without taking full control but there taking strategic points http://www.lorientlejour.com/article/829132/raid-des-forces-aeriennes-syriennes-sur-le-site-des-attaques-chimiques-supposees.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.55.52.126 (talk) 07:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll change the map and label it to show the Research Facility/Special Forces HQ under government control (because if it weren't I'm sure we would have heard of it), but I won't change the map to show Jamraya under full government control. Jamraya might have been under full government control back in May when the Aviationist made the post, but the ISW map and others says that by August it's contested. MrPenguin20 (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Map of the battle for the August 27 and Jamraya under military control and the area around it.This is admitted even by rebels.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=575156802521211&set=a.224155897621305.50803.217139528322942&type=195.134.193.224 (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I just saw that. Well if that's the most recent map then I'll update the current version. Other differences I noticed are that the rebels seem to be comprising two seperate pockets to the south of Damascus, as opposed to the one continuous pocket in the current map. This pocket also seems to perhaps be a bit higher/more central (it's above the Sayyidah Zaynab shrine instead of under it). Also it looks like government forces are in control of a strip of land between Barzeh, Qaboun, and Jobar and the rest of the larger opposition pocket in Eastern Ghouta. Thoughts? MrPenguin20 (talk) 19:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes I agree to the Earstern Ghouta, Jobar and other neighborhoods. Similar to the situation in the north. In the southern zone, it seems that Daraya is completely surrounded so yes there are two small pockets rebels. But I do not understand what you offer for around the Shiite shrine area, which area is under rebel control? Which cities? Rogal Dorm (talk) 09:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Well in the current map the frontline is south of the shrine, whereas in the fb map the frontline is north of the shrine, and kind of centers on the Yarmouk/Hajar al-Aswad/Yalda/Agra area. Is there still a pocket of opposition units south of the shrine? MrPenguin20 (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The map is made by a Chronicle which supports the opposition, moreover, can be considered as a source? During the Battle of al-Quseir, the Chronicle said that the army had not retake the city, like when the army retake Khalidiya in Hms, so I do not know if we can trust him, he would find a other source. What do you think? Rogal Dorm (talk) 08:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Jamraya under the full control of the army as well as the area around!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_civil_war37.52.25.116 (talk) 20:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Noted/working on it. MrPenguin20 (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

12 August Syrian Army regains strategic town Drosha near Damascus http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/12/318419/syrian-army-regains-strategic-town/37.55.210.57 (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

army captured the city Deir Salman. http://www.elnashra.com/news/show/65987646.201.151.189 (talk) 07:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Sorry for the delay; been a bit busy lately so haven't updated the map yet, but I'll upload an updated version this weekend, and from then on updates will be a lot faster. MrPenguin20 (talk) 23:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Update map pls:On 19 September,Syrian army retook control of the strategic town of Shaba’a near the capital Damascus after heavy fighting.[97]Daki122 (talk) 12:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Sheba'a shown as under SAA control at the moment. The town isn't marked, but it's just south-west of Hatitat al-Turkuman. MrPenguin20 (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

The town of Shebaa is still in the contested zone cuold you move the front line in the direction of Hatiatat-al-TrukmanDaki122 (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Latest news here. It seems that Ghouta is under attack now? Esn (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Map update:

-Teretory between AL-Husenyia and Al-Gizanelieh should be changed to government held because there is an army base there and some other compounds that are probably held by the government forces http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.414320&lon=36.393156&z=14&m=b&search=Aleppo

-Al zayebeyeh just south of Zeynab is not contested it has been retaken by government forces the confusion is the name as it als goes for the name of Al-Dhiabiyah(Thiyabiyah) http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.425782&lon=36.369553&z=14&m=b&search=Aleppo http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/11/us-syria-crisis-damascus-idUSBRE99A0CZ20131011 http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/10/11/506964.htm

yo can see the confusion because the same town has to names and is difrently reported in reuters and SANA but it is actualy the same thing

-Saka has been captured by government forces

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/13/329106/syrian-army-advances-in-eastern-suburbs-of-damascus/ http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.445480&lon=36.467571&z=14&m=b&search=Aleppo

-Sheik Omar captured by government forces

just south of Hajr-Al-Aswad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_civil_war

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-opposition-Hezbollah-Iraqi-militia-capture-Damascus-suburb-328304

79.126.203.80 (talk) 15:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

This is not in this offensive Rogal Dorm (talk) 17:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Where does it go then? Is there a new offensive and an article for that?178.191.48.60 (talk) 21:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

This offensive was never ended by the syrian army they only slowed it down because of threats from the US that they will attack syria but now the offensive is in full steam that is way i say to change the name and add text from above mentioned articles about the gains in southern Damascus or create a new article with name Southern Damascus Offensive with the map only showing recent advances and everything else that was gained during this offensive to be put as the new front line instead of the old one79.126.203.80 (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with others here, the offensive is not over its still ongoing. The offensive is taking place in Eastern Ghouta, Jobar, Barzeh, Zamalka, Al Qaboun and the southern part of the city. Rob2013 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.34.74 (talk) 02:54, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Not just there. The Army is pushing in on M'adamie and tightening its grip along the airport road and along the Airport-Otaiba-Adra axis. If there's no objections, I will switch it back to March 2013-present and add a "Second phase" section. - ☣Tourbillon ^A ? 17:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Tourbillon the army in the last month went on full scale offensive in the south they sized more then a dozen towns in their offensive and have imposed a blockade on the Estern Ghouta area 79.126.179.106 (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

References

Why is the Article name Damascus offensive March-August 2013

The offensive is clearly on the momentum as the army started pushing in Barzeh http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/15/324036/syria-army-advances-in-battle-for-barzeh/ there is also good video footage from ANNA on the attack of the northen quarter of Damascus this include Qubon and Barzeh here are some links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BCvAsLlu2I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVaIljTb_x0&feature=c4-overview&list=UU0-BJmmq9v7sDwoEM5Xao8Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaBlExBQXFU&feature=c4-overview&list=UU0-BJmmq9v7sDwoEM5Xao8Q

Daki122 (talk) 22:00, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 20:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

• Rif Dimashq offensive (March–August 2013) to Rif Dimashq offensive (March 2013–present), there wasn't a serious discussion on considering the offensive closed, and all indicators point that the offensive continues. There is broad consensus to bring it back to its previous title. - ☣Tourbillon ^A ? 06:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I propose the move because the offensive has not yet ended. - ☣Tourbillon ^A ? 06:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Al Sbeneh under SAA

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