Talk:Rifle grenade

range?

The article (currently) doesn't say anything about the effective range of rifle grenades... Geo Swan 08:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

History section

This section seems rather incomplete, and possibly misleading. Grenade launchers were used by both sides during the first World War as well. It would be nice if someone with good reference material could flesh our the subject, or at least mention that they predate WWII -Don.Dragon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don.Dragon (talk • contribs) 17:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Google Books turns up a bunch of good reference material from WWI and immediately after, so I think I can give this a shot. scot (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

it might be worth noting that che gueverras book on guerilla warfare mentions a similar method with molotov cocktails and shotguns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.4.245 (talk) 08:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

History is still very incomplete. These things are much, much older than WW1. Specialist grenade-launching guns date back to the 16th century (and a few are even illustrated in the article, but not mentioned in its text!), but from the mid-18th century the same or very similar grenades were also fired from discharger cups that could be fitted to the muzzle and bayonet standard of a musket. True, these weren't rifle grenades because the muskets weren't rifled, but that has no relevance to the functioning of the launcher; apart from using a plain black powder charge rather than a blank cartridge, it worked in exactly the same way as discharger cups for rifle grenades commonly used up until the 1950s. -- 202.63.39.58 (talk) 12:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Also the reference to "Flintlock blank cartridge" is ludicrous. Either Spencer C. Tucker, is a dolt or his writings were grossly misinterpreted. Flintlocks as well as caplocks are muzzle loaders and do NOT use a cartridge. This needs to be rewritten. 67.6.95.138 (talk) 11:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Maximun range is about 400 meters or 437 yards

The maximum range of a rifle grenade is about 400 m or 437 yards.Some have maximum range, far smaller than this number.The lack of precision and the terrible recoil, both sent rifle grenades to be less used, since World War II.Agre22 (talk) 12:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)agre22

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Hi, I removed the advantage "training rounds are reusable" since it's also true for 40 mm grenades. There are 40 mm training rounds which uses a .38 special blank rounds to fire and other than needing to switch out the 0.38 special they are also reusable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.236.128.225 (talk) 22:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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WWI not covered properly --------------------

Do you think we could have more on WWI please.

The use of rifle grenades, like trench mortars, lewis guns, gas, tanks 'planes etc was part in the major change to an all arms system that occurred by 1918. This article takes a very American viewpoint - as the US didn't enter the war until 1917, didn't take a large part in the fighting and couldn't successfully adapt the French V-B R.G. then this period seems to get ignored, even though this is the period that would interest the majority of students.

Any French, British or German student would be most interested in the development of the R.G. and the changed tactics for assaults and defence that occurred 1914-18. Anyone who has read the primary sources of those on the Western front in those years can see how significant a change this was. This is why some information on the weapons of the the Central Powers and the Entente allies and the resulting changes in tactics is vital to this article. It would be like ignoring Cambrai in the development of the tank simply because the US wasn't involved at that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.140.41 (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

List of rifle grenades

Hi everyone. How about making a list of rifle grenades and other barrel-fired devices and sorting it by decade of development or something? There are many articles for lots of rifle grenades with only a few being either linked to in the texts or mentioned in the "See also" section. I don't know how to do that, neither do I know if everybody agrees. I think it might be a useful addition as we're currently looking for a list of rifle grenades that are still in use. Might just start listing what I found in the article.

Rifle grenades:

• 22 mm Grenade (no name article stub)
• V-B Rifle Grenade (French prototype)
• Babbitt Grenade (American prototype)
• Hales Rifle Grenade
• ENERGA Anti-Tank Rifle Grenade
• No.68 Anti-Tank Rifle Grenade
• M31 HEAT Rifle Grenade
• "Rephaim" advance grenade for the IMI Tavor
• AC58 Rifle Grenade for FAMAS
• APAV40 Rifle Grenade for FAMAS
• SIMON Breach Grenade

"Makeshift" rifle grenades:

• No.2 Grenade (British pre-WW1 grenade)
• Type 91 fragmentation grenade if used with stem and tail fins (Japanese)
• Mills Bomb / Mills Grenade as No.23 or No.36 modification

Other barrel-launched grenades:

• Stielgranate 41 AT gun barrel-fired grenade

Adapters:

• M7 Grenade Launcher (Rifle grenade launcher attachment)
• Schießbecher (German WW2 adapter for 7.92mm rifles)

Adding more data to the list would then be up to everybody willing to participate. Only a suggestion. Cheers. Schaf--178.0.216.176 (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I also think the most important modern grenade is missing. The FN Telgren was the first (at least the first commercially-viable) shoot-through type, and is widely fielded. I also think that in general this article give short shrift to the several types. Needs a section with types and subtypes, and needs to use more terms of art, e.g. typical rifle grenades (around the barrel, vs. down it) are "spigot launched." The types will break down into history, and will -- as with any type of technology -- change the pros and cons over time. Telgren, for example, is small, light, very safe and has quite low recoil compared to older models. Etc. I could go on (e.g. polyvalent concept, and those hand/rifle grenades or adapters, vs. dedicated; what about ambush breakers, and so on), so if no one else does it someone can contact me and see if I am less busy in a while here.Shoobe01 (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Performance table

I have added a performance table to this article. I don't know why it wasn't added earlier. Please, feel free to add additional information to the table.--RAF910 (talk) 21:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

/* Other uses and similar devices */ add update for new soda/beer can launcher accessory

I added mention of new product that launches cans of the soda and /or beer size but did not directly place a link to the product for concern of it crossing over into advertisement. The company is Xproducts. If another editor feels a link or a cite reference for product is needed. That company name and launcher will help bring up the company page for the product for any search engine and numerous reviews by firearms related news sources.184.39.155.64 (talk) 04:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

rifle grenades and their launchers began to be replaced by dedicated grenade launchers?

In the article is stated that By the late 1970s, rifle grenades and their launchers began to be replaced by dedicated grenade launchers. The Italians uses rifle grenades in the AR70/AR90. The French are still shooting rifle grenades with the FAMAS. Russians have rifle grenade adapters for the AK family. Brazil has been shooting rifle grenades since before the FAL and is still doing it today.

Maybe you meant By the late 1970s, US Armed forces began to replace rifle grenades and their launchers by dedicated grenade launchers. After all, I do not think the M16 can survive launching a rifle grenade. SupremeDalek (talk) 14:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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Cup and shoot through type procedure missing step

The procedure for use under the cup type and shoot through launcher does not include the step of attaching the cup to the rifle. I don't know at what point in the sequence that would occur, but it must be a necessary step. 184.145.113.182 (talk) 20:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)