Talk:Rinat Akhmetshin

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If news is cited does that preclude the original research prohibition?

Fusion GPS-related content by User 97.98.86.66

User 97.98.86.66 has now tried to insert the same material into three articles: Rinat Akhmetshin; Trump campaign–Russian meeting, and Natalia Veselnitskaya. Diff with an edit summary describing one of the edits: "POV wording, distortion of sources, and Daily Caller not a reliable source. Stop.". Concur with this sentiment, and would caution the user that if this continues, they may be blocked from editing. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

1. I followed the suggestions by WikiVirusC. I did not simply revert to my previous flawed text.

2. I also toned it down in my last edit to this article (the 1st edit after VirusC made those suggstions.), and challenged (using logic & facts) his OPINION (which he gave no rationale to support...) that it's a WP:RS (They have only 1 complaint of poor ed fact-checking in 7 yars, as [[Daily Caller] says; compare to CNN whose even published stories sourced from 4chan teenagers who tricked CNN, and several other times they needed to fire people (Brazile, the last 3 CNN guys in the Scaramucci case, and more... so are w supposed to ban CNN? I'd sure say their track-record for FACT-CHECKING (no matter your POV...) is worse than Daily Caller's;

HOWEVER:

3. We have varied POV in this section:

"email-to-donald-trump-jr-could-be-a-smoking-gun-as-russia-connections-deepen," Natasha Bertrand, etc... ...including that *I* used leftwing sources. So I'd suggest I'm not the one w/the most imbalanced POV.

News since yesterday, FACTS, show TWO sides to this story.

And of course it's a POLITICAL story, so lots of people have opnions. Or want to omit inconvenient facts. We can take this to Arb if you wish, so we can get "more than just a few people who happened to be here on a Saturday" -- because I'm confident my LAST revisions are MORE neutral compared to what was there previously -- and an {{ UP.DATE }} because this story is moving fast -- I don't propose that the facts we know today are the be all/end all.

The media --left AND Right, as my selection of sources showed -- and politicians have found her ties to Fusion GPS relevant to her Trump meeting. Why relvant? Fusion is THE corp who happened to provide those precise stories SOURCED FROM 4CHAN TEENS, which 4chan later confessed was only to see who'd be BIASED enough to run such kooky stories fabricated by themselves: e.g. story of Trump paying prozzies to urinate on his head, SO YES, IT GOES TO THE CREDIBILITY OF EVERYONE ASSOCIATED w/Fusion GPS, JUST AS WP:RS TELLS US TO QUESTION ALL AUTHORS PUBLIISHED BY AN EDITOR NOT KNOWN FOR FACT-CHECKING. She was a nobody and wouldn't be in the news today, with her ties -- and Akhmetshin also has ties to Fusion -- to the anti-Trump corp, Fusion, being questioned in every major paper, left and right and centrist, except TWO people tied to this corp proven so biasd that they've lied in the past (4chan took advantage of their Confirmation Bias), and why have any article on these 2 meeting Trump at all, if it's to tell a one-sided argument Logical Fallacy? That won't engender trust in WP.

Come to think, when JIMMY WALES gave good sources calling Mark Dice a "media critic," and activist-editors said, "Nope, truth is determined by cnsensus on WP, refusing to even TRY proving JIMMY WALES HIMSELF," do you think that style -- YOUR style -- is good for QP's future? "We'll gang up on you, and NOT EVEN GIVE REASONS (as VirusC was 1st to critique me, and I saw his rationale)? You don't need to tell the other side of the story exactly how I told it, but to kep thes articls as a one-sided argument FALLACY (violation) OF LOGIC is even worse. So, please, edit selectively (or REASON with me, as VirusC did, instead of wholesale-deleting. I'm just TRYING to stay with what sources wrote (ok, in 4 cases, what I inferred from THEIR tone, sorry), and I met Virus C's CONSTRUCTIVE critiques on those approx 4 items... If you don't want to make CONSTRUCTIVE critiques, or add your own info that you think presents another side (and 3 of 4 of you Wiipedians have NOT evn attmpted to do so rationally, like VirusC did, to mae me see the errors), that's not my problem; that's your problem when an Arb Committee asks you for REASON+FACTS.

Please try to be a bit more constructive, instead of delting-wholesale; WikiVirusC was; username "Neutrality" wasn't constructive like WikiVirusC (nor was "Neutrality" uh... "neutral" for the REASONS I just gave.

4. Lastly... I merely didn't keep the POV one-sided argument that this section was, before I got here. (which granted, the FACTS AT THE TIME (just 2 days ago), somewhat merited a one-sideed argument.) I tried to balance that pre-existing POV; maybe I went too far on 3-4 points, and VirusC helped me correct those.

I haven't been edit-warring; I'm asking for constructive criticism, and took efforts to meet VirusC's because I agreed with most of what he said. He hasn't complained since then, and you've yet to STATE YOUR CASE.

97.98.86.66 (talk) 01:09, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, P.S. blocking Ip's doesn't work; you never heard of VPN, or even dynamic addresses, or the "HAVEQUICK" to jump freq's (radio) or IP's (da ennrwebs)? :-) I'm a hakkr. I'm THE haxr -- Russia didn't do it, but you're still chasing your tails, ahahahahahaha. I'm behind FOUR government VPN's (mine isn't on the "free VPN lists" to block) then 2 proxies, and my self-coded HAVEQUICK. Just talk like a HUMAN BEING before deleting ...or edit away w/o talking to me, I'll edit (giving LOGIC) if I thought you went too far -- that's how it's SUPPOSED to work in WP's guidelines.

Comment - By the way, even though I'm watching this page as well, the edits I reverted of yours were on Natalia Veselnitskaya not this here. I also have left additional comments over there after my most recent revert. The general idea still applies there, some of the issue were addressed, but there are still bits that are going to get another editor to revert without even know any previous history of reverts, simply because this is a biography of a living person. If you want to add something into the article, put it here in talk page(same for the other article) and discuss it out with the other editors. WikiVirusC^(talk) 01:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The connection to Fusion GPS is already mentioned in the section Rinat_Akhmetshin#Lobbying_against_Magnitsky_Act. There's no need to repeat it elsewhere in the article. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Soviet Veteran Who Met With Trump Jr. Is a Master of the Dark Arts

Pretty good source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/world/europe/rinat-akhmetshin-donald-trump-jr-natalia-veselnitskaya.html?mwrsm=Email

Protected edit request on 16 July 2017

Suggest, for accuracy (not private investigator) and to correct name spelling (Phanartzis), Change:

2015 hacking

... In the filings, sworn statements by private investigator Akis Phanartizis stated that Akhmetshin boasted that the hacking of IMR's computer system was organized by him. ...

To:

... In the filings, sworn statements by Akis Phanartzis, a regional manager of corporate intelligence company GlobalSource LLC, stated that Akhmetshin boasted that the hacking of IMR's computer system was organized by him. ... Nabatea (talk) 17:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Some news links prior to July 2017

I did a Google search for prior to July 2017, and here are some (but definitely not all) of the results. (I didn't check whether any of these are already used in the wiki article):

• February 2015, New York Times
• May 2016, The Daily Beast
• June 2016, BuzzFeed News
• August 2016, Politico
• November 2016, Politico
• December 2016, Politico
• January 2017, Daily Caller
• February 2017, Daily Caller
• March 2017, Daily Caller
• March 2017, Politico
• May 2017, CNN
• May 2017, Radio Free Europe

– Softlavender (talk) 07:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)