Talk:Road signs in the United Kingdom

Merger proposal

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To not merge as Road signs in Wales is a sufficiently distinct topic to warrant a separate article, and is capable of expansion. Klbrain (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

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Put simply, I'm not sure that road signs in Wales are distinctive enough to warrant a separate article, given the only difference appears to be that they're bilingual. It's important to mention this, of course, but a subsection of this article may be a more appropriate place to do so. For context, Northern Ireland has a subsection here, whereas Gaelic road signs in Scotland is a separate article.

Either the article should be merged, or it should be expanded to include any other distinctively Welsh features which haven't yet been mentioned. A.D.Hope (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - I think that if the Wales article was expanded with more history behind specifically Welsh-language signs then it would be enough to warrant its own article, since there's a lot of history there that's separate from the history of road signs in England. Suntooooth (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Is there much to expand on? Bilingual signs seem to be the only difference between Welsh road signs and those in the rest of the UK. We could flesh out the history, as it seems a bit brief, but the whole article would still be comfortably short enough to be a section of the UK article. A.D.Hope (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know the specifics since it's been a long time since I last looked into it, but I think the history would fill more than one section on the UK article. There's a long history of protests and controversy - for example, protestors painting over English-only road signs, and various opinion pieces claiming that Welsh-language signs cause crashes. Suntooooth (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I suppose the obvious question is, if there is this extensive history, why isn't it in the Welsh article? If we can summarise the controversy succinctly I can't see a Welsh section being longer than the current 'Crown Dependencies' or 'Overseas Territories' sections here. A.D.Hope (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I assume because no one that knows the history well has both seen the article and decided to expand the article - it is a more obscure part of Welsh-language history (despite its importance), and Welsh-language history is already a topic not many know about, so it makes sense that it hasn't attracted anyone who knows the issue well enough yet.

If the history is written out and it's still too short, then I'd be slightly less opposed to the merger; as it is right now, I don't see how Welsh-language sign history could be shorter than the Gaelic road sign article, considering their histories are fairly similar. Suntooooth (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - I believe the topic of Bilingual signs in Wales should be a separate topic particularly on the history, although don’t mind the article being reformed into Welsh road signs in Wales (scope wise doesn’t necessarily need to be renamed) in line with the Gaelic article. Especially considering the Welsh campaign is longer than the Gaelic one? DankJae 09:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Regretfully oppose – there are not enough users worldwide who are interested in Welsh road signs to warrant an addition of this size to the main article. ---Ehrenkater (talk) 17:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Meaning of Black Circle in Orange Rectangle

While watching Police Interceptors season 7 episode 1, I noticed a roadway sign for "Stamford" on the first line, and "A1" on the next line. To the right of the "A1" was an orange square, about the same height as the "A1", with a black circle in the square; it almost looked like an afterthought (couldn't tell whether it was painted or embossed. I could not find a meaning for it on the web. I presume it meant there's a roundabout, but, don't most such intersections have one? So, what does it mean? Skaizun (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Was it a diversion route? the wub "?!" 21:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)