Talk:Robert De Niro/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Binksternet (talk · contribs) 01:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

My first impression is that GA nominator DTH89 has hardly any edits to the article, while Lizzy150 is by far the main contributor. The One I Left, Dyaluk08, Andydesher and Mazewaxie are also significant contributors this year, so if anybody should get credit for taking this to GA, it should include all y'all. Binksternet (talk) 01:46, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   A few dead references should be revived if possible throught the Wayback Machine at archive.org, or some other means. Some minor copyvio must be fixed.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Too much weight given to property tax lawsuit.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Some horribly angry person using Kentucky IPs was finally kept away by semi-protection. I'm not counting that vandalism in looking at stability; the article is fairly stable, with a normal amount of activity.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   The caption saying "on set" should say "on the set". The caption saying "at a film premiere" should either tell the film name or just say "De Niro in 2008".

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Some tweaks needed. Too many problems at this time.

• In the legal issues section, there are four paragraphs. Numbers 2 and 3 should be combined and reduced by half, to lower the weight of the property tax issue.
• Can we shift grandchildren to after the 2018 separation with Grace Hightower? That way, the Hightower time period is presented in one sweep.
• The Tribeca Shortlist external link should be removed as it has been taken over and buried by Lionsgate Films.
• Copyvio problem with the Time magazine source from 2016. This sentence is a direct copy/paste problem: "White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Obama personally considered each of the recipients who sat on that stage."
• Copyvio problems with the sagawards.org source, copying the words "made his directorial debut in 1993 with A Bronx Tale".
• Copyvio problems with the Guardian source from 2019, where the Guardian summarizes De Niro by writing "about Obama’s two election wins and their implication of a post-racial America." This should not be copied straight as if De Niro said it.
• Need to add a word: "Coppola accepted the award on his behalf as he did not attend ceremony" to become "Coppola accepted the award on his behalf as he did not attend the ceremony".
• Remove a comma in the lead section: "In 1989, De Niro and partner Jane Rosenthal, co-founded TriBeCa Productions". Same with "De Niro and producer Jane Rosenthal, co-founded TriBeCa Productions", down in the article body.
• Tie these two sentences together: "In 2009, he received the Kennedy Center Honor. In 2016, he received a Presidential Medal of Freedom from U.S. President Barack Obama."
• Remove the hyphens in "42-pounds" and "60-pounds" and "229-minutes" and "139-minutes"
• The word "opined" appears six times. It is usually employed with "that", for instance "someone opined that". Four of the six instances of "opined" must be given a "that", with surrounding text massaged as needed.
• What was De Niro doing in 1972? Why did he quit the first Godfather project in 1972?
• The clunky interruption of a quote is unnecessary here: "Harris later wrote "He [De Niro] learned". It could instead be written, "Harris later wrote about De Niro, "He learned".
• Remove the word "indefinitely". Not needed.
• Trim the word "Initial" in "Initial reviews for The Deer Hunter were generally positive".
• Describing the film True Confessions, the word choices of "intensive" and especially "uneasy" are inapt and should be rewritten.
• Let's drop "garnered enough appraisal" and just say the film was listed by Criterion.
• The sentence is clunky: "However, the film brought the attention of the awards ceremonies." Trim most of it and tie it to the next sentence.
• Every Wikipedia article must choose between having the unspaced em dash or the spaced en dash serve as sentence break. See MOS:CONFORM and MOS:DASH which says the dash style must have "consistency in any one article." The first problem here is that there are a few spaced em dashes which are always wrong. In any case, someone must choose between the spaced en dash and the unspaced em dash, and for every sentence break (including direct quotes) change all instances of the other one to the selected one.
• The spaced hyphens should be spaced en dashes in all the entries of the subsection "Honors".
• The phrases "managed to gain" and "managed to receive" could be trimmed to "gained" and "received".
• "President Obama stated" could be trimmed to "Obama said".
• Trim "having been inducted" to "inducted".
• Did De Niro divorce Drena? No... let's say he divorced Abbott.
• We tell the reader he has four sons, and we say that one of them is autistic. We should connect the dots and say Elliot is autistic.
• The first "United States" should stay, but the four subsequent instances can be abbreviated "U.S."
• I will keep this review open while issues are addressed. We can have a back-and-forth conversation about it. And I may add more issues as I see them. Binksternet (talk) 02:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
• Sorry, I changed my mind after carefully combing through the article. There are too many problems at this time to propose GA status. I would welcome another attempt after fixes have been made. Binksternet (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)