Talk:Robert Emmet

Poetry

Firstly, poetry is not usually listed on Additional reading. Secondly the poem in question is pretty poor, to put it mildly. Thirdly it is highly POV, contextualising Emmet in a high politicised way that most people would find objectionable and so would give the article a one-sided political slant-in the opinion of an atypical MI-5 kind of person. If the poem was at least passably OK in quality it would be listed on that basis.But one-sidedness is apparently not an issue for one whose use of managed news is essential to their acceptance. (I went to the poem to create a link on that basis.) But it is so poor and so politically agendaised(spelling) it really is pointless to link it. There has to be some poetry out there on Emmet that is better than this third-rate POV political agenda-pushing(see 60s term "agit-prop) drivel. FearÉIREANN 19:58, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

categorization / activists etc.

What are the "mechanical issues" with respect to categorizing Category:Activists that prevent Emmet from being subcatted by nationality? (I subcatted Emmet by nationality & the change was reverted, citing "mechanical issues"). --lquilter 22:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

1803 rebellion: pike

"a folding pike which couldn't be concealed under a cloak due to being fitted with a hinge."

shouldn't that be "which could be concealed"? Hieronymus Illinensis 21:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this edit was responsible for the wording. I have reverted. Cheers Storkk 02:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

His closing words

Could we have a first source for - Let no man write my epitaph; for as no man who knows my motives dares now vindicate them, let not prejudice or ignorance asperse them. When my country takes her place among the nations of the earth then and not till then, let my epitaph be written". We have all heard it but when was it published, anyone?Red Hurley 20:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm referencing the famous version on a broadsheet printed in Manchester in 1835. I'm guessing the text was "tweaked" or "sexed up" after the 1818 version to make it sell better to an Irish market. Ah, the wiles of commerce.78.16.52.164 (talk) 13:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Emmet's ancestry

I undid an IP editors insertion of this

• Ancestry of the Emmets

because it links to a personal web page and thus is contrary to policy. But presumably the sources it uses are all public records so, if anyone thought it to be of interest, the same material could be used to construct a new section of the article saying exacly the same thing. Personally I don't see it as of value but I acknowledge that others do. --Red King (talk) 12:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Was he born in Dublin or Clonakilty? The article says both. Terminalwally (talk) 18:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Most reliable sources give his place of birth at St. Stephen's Green. Some older sources say Molesworth St., (four previous 'Roberts' , at least some of whom were born at the Molesworth St home died at a young age Geoghegan p 51) but St Steven's Gn has largely been accepted by more recent scholars eg Ruán O'Donnell. Father apparently born County Cork or Tipperary, and older siblings also born Cork, (the Emmet from Clonakilty was called Paddy). RashersTierney (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

1803 rebellion

In the section Robert Emmet#1803 rebellion is the following sentence:

Sporadic clashes continued into the night until finally quelled by the military at the estimated cost of twenty military.

I don't often see "military" used as a countable noun: "twenty military". Perhaps a more common word could be substituted. It would also avoid the use of "military" twice in the same sentence. CorinneSD (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I see User:Mannanan51 fixed the sentence as I wrote this comment. Excellent. CorinneSD (talk) 23:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Chronology

I found the chronology a bit confusing. In the section "Decision to proceed with a rising in Dublin," Emmet's St. Patrick's Day 1803 speech is described after the gunpowder incident on the 16th of July. The next section, "Moved by a Sinister Hand?", discusses preparations made in early July. Perhaps someone more familiar with the content could sort this out.--Lizgold (talk) 05:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Treaty of Amiens

I'm removing this from "early Life": His efforts were unsuccessful, as Napoleon was concentrating his efforts on invading England. Emmet returned to Ireland in October 1802. In March the following year, he began preparations for another uprising.

The Consulate, headed up by Napoleon, signed this treaty that ran between March 1802 and May 1803, so if Emmet was planning a revolt from March 1803 he was very much out on his own.78.18.209.144 (talk) 13:22, 15 March 2019 (UTC)