Talk:Robert I, Count of Hesbaye

Robert or Rupert?

User:Dr. Grampinator The chart on p.186 [1]of Constance Brittain Bouchard's Rewriting Saints and Ancestors: Memory and Forgetting in France, 500-1200, (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2014) indicates that Cancor's father was Rupert, Count of Hesbaye, d.748. It also lists Rupert, not Robert, as the husband of Williswinda. Mannanan51 (talk) 00:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mannanan51:, Bouchard explains the issue with Robert/Rupert on pages 188-189. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I know this is an old discussion, but I think the existence and nature of this article is going to keep coming up so I note that this same source being cited also says (p.185): Even today, historians cannot agree on the ancestry of Robert the Strong. It makes a proposal, but any number of theories have been proposed. I can understand why we would have articles about the main proposals but not why Wikipedia would be taking a position and creating a family tree of articles based on one theory.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

As an anchor point, I have added a primary sources section which I think at least identifies the records which "define" the person we are talking about. This does not yet justify much of what is in the article, or even the existence of this article, but potentially further sections could be added to explain why reliable sources have proposed various things about this person.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Name change for article?

First proposal: Robert, Count or Duke of Hasbania. Notes:

• Robert I, with a number, makes no sense because there is no clear and certain sequence of Roberts. Robert II and Robert III might very well not be relatives, and have no record of any connection to the Hesbaye.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)