Talk:Robert Irwin (conservationist)

Requested move 23 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: There is consensus that this Robert Irwin is not the primary topic and should not be moved to the proposed title. Various other possible moves were suggested but no consensus developed for any of them in particular. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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• Robert C. Irwin → Robert Irwin
• Robert Irwin → Robert Irwin (disambiguation)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Most google search results are about this Robert Irwin, and the pageviews analysis shows that Robert C. Irwin's wikipedia page is viewed far more often than those of all the other Robert Irwins. (Note that I chose a pageviews graph from mid-March to mid-April 2017, to avoid the popularity spikes of Robert C. Irwin before and after this date). Also, the subject of the second-most-popular article, Bob Irwin, is normally known as "Bob", not "Robert", so not many people would search for "Robert Irwin" if looking for his article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 15:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose The article's existence is valid for the reasons you state, but I don't believe that it eclipses the other Robert Irwins. I feel that it's too soon after the article's creation, and that the television appearances in the US are too recent (not to mention the recent editing and merging disputes which have surely contributed to the page views!), to gauge what this article's long-term popularity will be. In terms of long-term importance, either Bob Irwin or Robert Irwin (artist) are certainly more important topics, as both individuals are established and have gained worldwide recognition for their work. Additionally, although Bob Irwin is never referred to as Robert, with such similar names used in the same context it makes sense to include him on the disambiguation page, it's an easy mistake to make. Wasechun tashunka (talk) 16:21, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per Wasechun tashunka. I would support, however, the move of Robert C. Irwin to Robert Irwin (photographer), Robert Irwin (nature photographer) or Robert Irwin (wildlife photographer). The only mentions I have seen that refer to him as "Robert C." were based on Wikipedia's main title header. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 17:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

He's not known as a photographer though, and the last two suggestions you provided are way too WP:PRECISE; we aren't trying to disambiguate between multiple photographers. If we need a disambiguator, Robert Irwin (conservationist) would probably be the most encompassing. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

The lead sentence describes him as a "television personality, conservationist, and photographer". If "(conservationist)" is a better fit as a qualifier, then I would certainly support the use of that form. If potential !voters come to prefer "(television personality)" then, by all means, such a description should also be acceptable. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:16, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

• Alt support Robert Irwin (conservationist). He's really known as the son of Steve Irwin, but I think that's the best choice. Oppose moving the disambiguation page, he's not the primary topic (yet). -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment One problem with a title like "Robert Irwin (conservationist)" is that Bob Irwin also fits this description, so it doesn't fully disambiguate. I don't know whether using a form of disambiguation that doesn't fully disambiguate like that is against policy. Something like Robert Irwin (conservationist, born 2003) is the only way to fix this problem, but it would be a pretty unwieldy title.
    Having said that, in the event of there being a consensus against moving this article to Robert Irwin, I support moving from the current title to a disambiguated title, given that he is rarely known as "Robert C. Irwin". Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Wouldn't the fact that Bob Irwin is normally known as Bob rectify that problem? He's not known as Robert. I'm sure a {{confused}} hatnote would suffice, just in case. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose, kid who has done well, but not absolute topic worldwide. And WP:RECENT. Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin) would cover it, Robert Irwin (conservationist, born 2003) would do. Or just leave alone. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Another problem with Robert Irwin (conservationist) is that the child himself hasn't carried out actual conservation work, other than assisting his family and living at a zoo. Robert Irwin (television personality) or Robert Irwin (Australian personality) looks like the best description of his current activity and notability. Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin) sounds nice, but I wonder if it violates WP:NOTINHERITED. I agree that the names Bob and Robert are sufficiently different that leaving them be and adding a hatnote would be sufficient. Wasechun tashunka (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. He's an exceedingly minor TV personality, who is only known locally in his own country for participating in his parent's TV shows. He does certainly not eclipse the other Robert Irwins. Robert Irwin (North Carolina State Senator), Robert Irwin (artist) and Robert Irwin (writer) are all far more notable in their own right than this kid. --Tataral (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Could you please clarify which of his parents' TV shows he has appeared in? That is not stated anywhere in the article. Melonkelon (talk) 04:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment He appeared as a very young child (little more than an infant) in a few episodes of The Crocodile Hunter Diaries, at the very least in the last episode, Confessions of the Crocodile Hunter. He's also starred with his mother and sister in Steve Irwin's Wildlife Warriors, which he received two 2013 Logie nominations for. It's misleading that the lead emphasises this, because he'd be more notable for his own series, "Wild But True", which has aired on Discovery Kids since 2015 (and as far as I know, is ongoing) throughout South East Asia, not just Australia, and for which he received a 2016 Emmy nomination. The article mentions "Wild But True", but doesn't say anything about the award nominations - which are probably a better measure of his notability.Wasechun tashunka (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
• Opppose, but beyond that, boy am I completely confused. Nobody wants to move this article to just "Robert Irwin", but beyond that, there's considerable movement to move it it something other than "Robert C. Irwin", such as Robert Irwin (conservationist) or Robert Irwin (photographer). There's quite literally nothing in the article about any of that, and he's 13 years old for goodness sake. How the heck much of a conservationist can he be? I see that the lede used to say "is an Australian television personality, conservationist, and photographer" but there's no support for that beyond the lede; the reference for "photographer" (there isn't one for "conservationist") is to his instagram page; good grief. Hey I have instagram, can I get an article too? =/

I'd say leave it alone. If you want to move it, "Robert C. Irwin (son of Steve Irwin)" would possibly be the most Recognizable title and gets to the core of his notability. "Robert C. Irwin (television personality)" would be the next choice I guess. Herostratus (talk) 07:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved to Robert Irwin (television personality). (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:26, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Robert C. Irwin → ? – There was no consensus in the previous RM to move this Robert Irwin to the primary topic. However, there's still an unresolved question to answer as I think we've come to an agreement that he's never known as "Robert C. Irwin", so the current title is not a good one. I'd like to take a survey of what name people would most prefer so we can get this last question answered. I think the only ones with a likelihood of passing are Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), Robert Irwin (television personality), and Robert Irwin (conservationist) (which would be my ranking in that order). Thoughts? -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

• Article titles I would support, in order: 1) Robert Irwin (television personality), 2) Robert Irwin (born 2003), 3) Robert Irwin (conservationist), 4) Robert C. Irwin (current title), 5) Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), 6) Robert Irwin (photographer). Reason: article title disambiguation isn't usually done with familial relations, and he's most notable as a television personality. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
• In order: 1) Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), 2) Robert Irwin (television personality), 3) Robert C. Irwin (current title), 4) Robert Irwin (born 2003), 5) Robert Irwin (conservationist), 6) Robert Irwin (photographer). Reason: while article title disambiguation isn't usually done with familial relations, in this case this is his main notability and also the attribute that most people will recognize him for. Other than that, TV personality. If everyone will rank like this, we can assign a 6 point- 5 point - 4 point etc score and come up with the answer. Herostratus (talk) 14:41, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
• My preference would be: 1) Robert Irwin (television personality), 2) Robert Irwin (born 2003), 3) Robert C. Irwin (current title), 4) Robert Irwin (photographer), 5) Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), 6)Robert Irwin (conservationist). Reasons: Not notable as a conservationist (maybe at some stage in the future, if he actually chooses to do it), and notability due to familial relations aren't considered. Barely notable as a photographer, bar one award. Television personality seems the most fitting, considering his series, award nominations, etc.Wasechun tashunka (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
• I prefer Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin). That's really the only thing he's notable/known for. He should absolutely not be moved to "Robert Irwin (photographer), Robert Irwin (nature photographer) or Robert Irwin (wildlife photographer)" because even if it turns out to be true that he's active as an amateur hobby photographer, he isn't notable as a photographer. I don't think "Robert Irwin (television personality)" is a very good title (although it's not as bad as the "photographer" titles), because the "television personality" thing is just one aspect of what he is known for, i.e. being Steve Irwin's son (other aspects include his participation in his family's live shows at the zoo), and his role as a "television personality" is entirely derived from and secondary to that (in terms of what he is known for). Thus, in order my preference would be: 1) Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), 2) Robert Irwin (born 2003), 3) Robert Irwin (television personality) – I don't consider any of the other options acceptable titles at this point (but of course, we may have to reevaluate the title when he grows up and possibly becomes notable for something in his own right). --Tataral (talk) 14:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
• Move to "Robert Irwin (television personality)" Note that familial relations don't make a person 'notable' by Wikipedia standards. So if he were truly only notable for this, we would take this to AfD. However, there are sources demonstrating notability for him being a television personality, so we should name the article appropriately. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 00:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support Robert Irwin (television personality). As Insertcleverphrasehere says, while he's known for being Steve Irwin's son (and Terri Irwin's son, especially now), that is not what makes him notable by Wikipedia standards at this point. He's notable for appearing on TV, and most of that has occurred since his father's death.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support Robert Irwin (television personality) which is at the top or near the top of contributors' lists and is not rejected by anyone. Such other suggested qualifiers as Robert Irwin (Steve Irwin's son)/Robert Irwin (son of Steve Irwin), Robert Irwin (born 2003) or the current one, Robert C. Irwin/Robert Clarence Irwin, are reminiscent of the suggestions at what is certainly the most contentious qualifier dispute in Wikipedia's 15-year history — Sarah Jane Brown. Although virtually everyone agreed or conceded that she has never been publicly known or referenced under her full name, Sarah Jane Brown, or under the form with the middle initial, Sarah J. Brown, agreement is still lacking regarding any other form, including, as proposed in the previous discussion, above, to position her as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Among the frequently submitted suggestions, Sarah Brown (Gordon Brown's wife)/Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown) or Sarah Brown (born 1963), met with opposition, as did all other alternative suggestions. Fortunately, we may have already arrived here at what appears to be an agreement or at least a tacit agreement to not dispute the qualifier that is the first choice on the majority of participants' lists. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support Robert Irwin (television personality). Starred in Steve Irwin's Wildlife Warriors, co-hosted Wild But True, guest appearances on Ten Deadliest Snakes and The Tonight Show. He also has his own show, Robert's Real Life Adventures, on Australia Zoo TV. Melonkelon (talk) 09:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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Scouts Australia Investment

Someone should mention that Robert was invested by Scouts Australia on April 5th, 2017. I would do it myself, but I'm terrible at Wikipedia citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyrekecorrea (talk • contribs) 03:15, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Need for a new photo

In his many television appearances, he look much older and we need an updated photo of him. The picture is from 2011 when he was just 8. Now he is a 14 year old young man and looks much different. See for example when he appeared in the Jimmy Fallon shows on occasions [1], [2], [3], [4]. Any suggestions? werldwayd (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I second this. His photo is far outdated and needs to be reflective of his current age (now 16). 165.73.116.158 (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

A third supporter here, he is now 17 and even just going on google images shows a bunch of up-to-date images that would fit great in the article, can someone please fix this? --CybJubal (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

A fourth supporter. It is 2022 and he is now 18 years old. This is really long overdue. I see so many recent photos that would be perfect for the infobox. There is no reason to still have such an outdated photo of him at 7/8 years old. Ft109 (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes we need a recent image but there's nothing free of him around. --Denniss (talk) 00:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Anyone have any ideas on how to find a new picture? Ft109 (talk) 20:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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The girlfriend thing…

Please keep an eye out for people editing his page to say that he has a girlfriend. No one in his family/at the Australia Zoo/etc. has confirmed it. Also, it’s no one’s business and it’s irrelevant. He’s literally 16, people. This isn’t the place to spread gossip about a teenager’s dating life. Unless it was to be publicly confirmed by him or someone close to him, it doesn’t belong on his page. Bencutiostan (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Even if they confirmed a gilrfriend it's still irrelevant. Unless they get married or similar happenings. --Denniss (talk) 08:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Very good point. Seeing as he’s a kid, that probably won’t happen anytime soon. Bencutiostan (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

New infobox picture?

I think we should have a new infoboz picture for Robert. The current one is 10 years old and does not reflect his current appearance. --InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (talk) 12:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

If one just can find one suitable for wiki ... --Denniss (talk)

We desperately need to find a new picture... Does anyone have any suggestions? Ft109 (talk) 03:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

New Picture

Robert is now 18 year old and we still have a picture of him at 7... We really need to find a new picture soon. Ft109 (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I found a YouTube video of him from this year that is freely licensed and I took some screengrabs and uploaded them to Commons here. I just replaced the infobox photo with one. ––FormalDude (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)