Talk:Robert Thomson (executive)

Latest comment: 3 years ago by DesertDana in topic Tokyo Correspondent + Citation Needed

Mistake

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I think i may have made a mistake in the move and editing, I am under the imprestion that its Robert William Thomson and not Robert Thomson. Joel M. 02:28, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

This person apparently emailed Jimbo to complain the title was wrong and that his name was Robert James Thomson, not Robert William Thomson so I've moved the article. Angela. 09:58, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Addition

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I'd like to add the following sentence to this article:

During Thomson's time as editor-in-chief, the Wall Street Journal rose to become #1 in circulation, with more than 2 million readers in 2009.[1]

To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor please review and either give feedback and/or edit accordingly. NinaSpezz (talk) 19:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Number 1 in what sort of category?? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Nomoskedasticity: After the paragraph that ends with "...The Times became 100% compact." in order to keep the Biography section in chronological order. NinaSpezz (talk) 18:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
Declining as page is currently under a copyright investigation. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
If you would like to license the content, see Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials - Yuhong (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
@NinaSpezz: The copyright investigation has concluded and the change has been implemented in the same paragraph. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Currently, the article has a 58% confidence rating on the Copyvios check for the link shown on the template. Please comply the instructions and do not remove the template until the situation has been resolved. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Additions

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson, I'd like to propose the following updates and additions to the article. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor please review and either give feedback and/or edit accordingly. NinaSpezz (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

  • Add back middle name - Thomson's full name is Robert James Dell'Oro Thomson. Dell'Oro was removed as could not be verified. However, this article includes full name. [2]
  • Relocate 1st sentence in "Biography" section to an "Early life and education" section to bring section headings more in line with typical BLP layout.
  • Rename "Biography" section to "Career"
  • Create "Personal life" section" and relocate sentence beginning with "Thomson is married to Wang Ping..." to that section.
  • Add to the beginning of Career section:

Thomson began his journalistic career as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun), working his way up the ranks.[1] At the age of 24, he became the Beijing correspondent for the Financial Times and The Sydney Morning Herald, and four years later moved to Tokyo as a correspondent for the Financial Times.[2] He was the FT's Foreign News Editor in 1994, and in 1996 became editor of the Weekend FT.[1] He later oversaw the launch of How To Spend It magazine[3] and the Weekend FT became the fastest growing paper in the UK market.[4][5]

In 1998, Thomson moved to New York City to become the managing editor of the FT's U.S. edition.[1] During his four-year tenure, FT.com was launched in the U.S.,[6] and the paper tripled U.S. sales to nearly 150,000.[7]

In 2002, Thomson became editor of London’s The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch.[1]

  • Add after "Under Thomson, The Times paid more attention to international politics, business, financial markets and sport. In 2003, The Times launched a compact edition alongside the broadsheet format and one year later on 1 November 2004 The Times became 100% compact.":

He launched The Game, a football section and Bricks & Mortar, a property supplement.[8] In addition, he launched Luxx magazine.[9] Under Thomson’s editorship, the monthly audience of The Times Online grew from less than 1 million to nearly 13 million.[5]

After acquiring The Wall Street Journal in 2007, Murdoch appointed Thomson publisher. The following year Thomson would assume the role of managing editor of the Journal and editor-in-chief of the Dow Jones & Company.[2] The Journal's circulation rose to more than 2 million in 2008, making it America’s largest newspaper[10] at a time of an industry-wide decline in circulation.[11]

  • Add after "Robert Thomson was given an honorary doctorate and was a keynote speaker at RMIT University's Dec 2010 graduation.":

Thomson become Chief Executive of News Corp in 2013 when News Corporation officially split and spun off its newspaper and publishing operations into News Corp.[12]

References

  1. ^ a b c d "Robert Thomson". Encyclopædia Britannica.
  2. ^ a b Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker.
  3. ^ "Rupert Murdoch and Robert Thomson: A Tale of the Tape". New York. April 25, 2008.
  4. ^ "Australian in New York 2 Winter 2009". Australian Consulate-General New York.
  5. ^ a b "News Corporation" (PDF). Boyar Research.
  6. ^ Kane, Courtney (March 24, 2000). "A new marketing effort tries to raise FT.com's U.S. profile". The New York Times.
  7. ^ McGeveran, Tom (May 20, 2008). "Robert Thomson Named Editor of The Wall Street Journal". Observer.
  8. ^ "Media Top 100 2003: 49. Robert Thomson Journal". The Guardian. July 6, 2003.
  9. ^ Kramer, Staci D. (January 28, 2008). "WSJ Notes: Move To Mid-Manhattan Possible; Brit Editor For New Luxury Mag; Sports Page". Gigaom.
  10. ^ "Big is best". The Economist. October 29, 2009.
  11. ^ "Newspaper circulation drops; WSJ on top". Politico. October 26, 2009.
  12. ^ Bercovici, Jeff (December 3, 2012). "Massive News Corp. Restructuring: Robert Thomson Named CEO of New Spinoff; The Daily Folds as NY Post Survives". Politico.
Thanks for using the talk-page to request changes, NinaSpezz. In the normal way, an edit request of more than a few sentences is unlikely to be accepted; as you will understand, that is partly to encourage COI editors to be concise. To specifics:
  • The source you suggest we use for his additional middle name (a) is a marketing publication (so inherently untrustworthy); (b) is too new to have established any reputation for fact-checking; (c) almost certainly copied his name from us at the same time that it copied his picture. We'd require a solid source clearly and definitively independent of the subject; something like, say, the Library of Congress – which, however, lists him only as "Thomson, Robert", as does every other library. What is our source for the "James"? And while we're at it, what is our source for the date of birth in our article? VIAF gives only the year.
  • As for the rest of your proposed content, I skimmed through it. My eye stopped at this "During his four-year tenure, FT.com was launched in the U.S.,[6] and the paper tripled U.S. sales to nearly 150,000". This is precisely the kind of specious or fallacious argument we are used to seeing in promotional biographies – "x happened while he was there, ergo he brought about x". I accept that the same considerations apply to the unreferenced content about the downgrading of the format of the paper, which I'll remove in a moment.
  • In general, it's probably better to let this page develop in the ordinary Wikipedia way, with unbiased volunteer editors making changes as and when they feel like it. If you insist on trying to interfere with that process, please include {{request edit}} (exactly so, with the curly parentheses) in any future request, and please, for pity's sake, make it brief. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

Expand career

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson, I'd like to propose the following additions to the article. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor please review and either give feedback and/or edit accordingly. NinaSpezz (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

Following recent edits and feedback on previous request above, breaking request into shorter requests. Would like to rename "Work" section to "Career" and add:


Thomson began his journalistic career as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun), working his way up the ranks.[1] At the age of 24, he became the Beijing correspondent for the Financial Times and The Sydney Morning Herald, and four years later moved to Tokyo as a correspondent for the Financial Times.[2] He was the FT's Foreign News Editor in 1994, and in 1996 became editor of the Weekend FT.[1] He later oversaw the launch of How To Spend It magazine[3] and the Weekend FT became the fastest growing paper in the UK market.[4][5]

In 1998, Thomson moved to New York City to become the managing editor of the FT's U.S. edition.[1] During his four-year tenure, FT.com was launched in the U.S.,[6] and the paper tripled U.S. sales to nearly 150,000.[7]

In 2002, Thomson became editor of London’s The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b c d "Robert Thomson". Encyclopædia Britannica.
  2. ^ Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker.
  3. ^ "Rupert Murdoch and Robert Thomson: A Tale of the Tape". New York. April 25, 2008.
  4. ^ "Australian in New York 2 Winter 2009". Australian Consulate-General New York.
  5. ^ "News Corporation" (PDF). Boyar Research.
  6. ^ Kane, Courtney (March 24, 2000). "A new marketing effort tries to raise FT.com's U.S. profile". The New York Times.
  7. ^ McGeveran, Tom (May 20, 2008). "Robert Thomson Named Editor of The Wall Street Journal". Observer.


Reply quote box with inserted reviewer decisions and feedback 29-MAY-2018

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Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each request. Also note areas where additional clarification was requested. When this is ready to be provided to the reviewer, please open a new edit request. Thank you! .spintendo  17:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Thomson began his journalistic career as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun), working his way up the ranks.
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At the age of 24, he became the Beijing correspondent for the Financial Times and The Sydney Morning Herald, and four years later moved to Tokyo as a correspondent for the Financial Times.
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He was the FT's Foreign News Editor in 1994, and in 1996 became editor of the Weekend FT.
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He later oversaw the launch of How To Spend It magazine
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and the Weekend FT became the fastest growing paper in the UK market.
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In 1998, Thomson moved to New York City to become the managing editor of the FT's U.S. edition.
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During his four-year tenure, FT.com was launched in the U.S., and the paper tripled U.S. sales to nearly 150,000.
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In 2002, Thomson became editor of London’s The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch.
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  1. ^ The claims made in this portion of the proposed text come from another encyclopedia. Kindly provide another reference to verify these claims.
  2. ^ The source given for this claim does not specify that the subject moved to Tokyo ("Thomson soon joined the Financial Times full time, and was sent to Japan."[1])
  3. ^ Please see note #1 above.
  4. ^ This portion of the proposed text includes the term "oversaw", although the use of this term is not clarified as to what it means. Please delineate with specificity exactly what the subject's actions were with respect to the launch of this publication.
  5. ^ This claim requires more precise references in order to verify. The Australian consulate-general would not be considered a reliable source except in instances where the claim involves consular business which they have purview to. An increase in readership of a publication would not be one of those instances.
  6. ^ Please see note #1 above.
  7. ^ The text in this part of the proposal is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. Any proposed text should be written in your own words, and should not stylistically resemble text taken from the source. (See WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.)
  8. ^ Please see note #1 above.

References

  1. ^ Auletta, Ken (11 April 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker.

@Spintendo: Got it. Thanks for your time and attention on this. Could use a bit more clarification on citing of encyclopedias, Encyclopedia Britannica in this case. My understanding according to WP:RSPRIMARY is that encyclopedias, with the exception of Wikipedia, are reputable tertiary sources. And while Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources, tertiary sources may be cited. NinaSpezz (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

@NinaSpezz: Thank you for your reply. Reliable tertiary sources can be helpful in (1) providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources; and also may be helpful in (2) evaluating due weight, especially when primary or secondary sources contradict each other. I don't see either of those situations in the case of the Robert Thomson article, where the sources given are all primary sources. In the four instances from your edit request where you wanted to use an encyclopedia, the nature of the sentence's individual claim statements either prevented this (as in example No. #4, below) or were to be better sourced elsewhere (as in example No's. #1-3, below):
  1. "In 2002, Thomson became editor of London’s The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch."
  2. "He was the FT's Foreign News Editor in 1994, and in 1996 became editor of the Weekend FT."
  3. "In 1998, Thomson moved to New York City to become the managing editor of the FT's U.S. edition."
    1. Claims of employment such as these statements underlined in orange are easily and more reliably sourced by the institutions in question. As the original provider to the subject of payroll, tax information, benefits etc., the employer was and still is the most intimately knowledgeable source on the subject's employment, having access to when the subject started working and for how long and in what positions. The best way to reference these statements would be to have the employer as verification of the actual employment while the encyclopedia is perfectly capable of verifying just the dates of employment.
  4. "Thomson began his journalistic career as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun), working his way up the ranks."
    1. Encyclopedia's are good for dates[a] but this part of the claim statement underlined in red makes a claim as to the subject's proficiency/speed/ability/adaptability at advancing through varying positions of employment, a claim that the encyclopedia would not be expected to have access to, given the tertiary nature of the publication.  spintendo  19:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

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  1. ^ Curiously enough, this particular claim statement regarding The Herald — unlike the other three examples which do give dates (something encyclopedia's are good for) — fails to provide a date for this employment.

Bibliography

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson, I'd like to propose the addition of a bibliography section (below). NinaSpezz (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Bibliography

  • Thomson, Robert (1987). The Judges: A Portrait of the Australian Judiciary. Syndey: Allen & Unwin. ISBN 0043400108.
  • Atkin, Renata; Thomson, Robert (1990). The Chinese Army: An Illustrated History from The Long March to Tiananmen Square. Crows Nest, N.S.W.: ABC Enterprises. ISBN 0733300847.
  • Thomson, Robert, ed. (1998). True Fiction: A Colection of Sparkling Pieces from the Weekend FT Column. Penguin Books. ISBN 0140279997.
  Not done with respect, the subject is not notable as an author, but as an executive and journalist. Adding a bibliography to this page would constitute promotion. AlexEng(TALK) 22:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Revised request

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I have revised my previous request based on feedback (above). Please note I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson, I'm proposing the following additions to the article. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor please review and either give feedback and/or edit accordingly.

Would like to change "Work" section to "Career" and add the following to the beginning of that section:

Thomson began his journalistic career in 1979 as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun).[1][2] In 1983, he became senior feature writer for the The Sydney Morning Herald and two years later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times (FT).[3] In 1990, he co-authored The Chinese Army: An Illustrated History from The Long March to Tiananmen Square.[4][5]

Thomson then relocated to Toyko to become full-time correspondent for the FT. He was appointed FT’s Foreign News Editor in 1994 and in 1996 became editor of FT’s weekend edition, which would become the fasted-growing paper in the UK a year later.[6][3]

In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the FT.[3] Over the next four years, FT.com launched in the U.S.,[7] and U.S. sales tripled to nearly 150,000.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinaSpezz (talkcontribs) 16:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ a b McGeveran, Tom (May 20, 2008). "Robert Thomson Named Editor of The Wall Street Journal". Observer.
  2. ^ "Robert Thomson". Encyclopædia Britannica.
  3. ^ a b c Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker.
  4. ^ "Rupert Murdoch and Robert Thomson: A Tale of the Tape". New York Magazine. April 25, 2008.
  5. ^ "The Chinese Army: an illustrated history from the long march to Tiananmen Square". National Library of Australia. Retrieved June 22, 2018.
  6. ^ "'Rupert has got a crush on you'". The Sydney Morning Herald. March 23, 2013.
  7. ^ Kane, Courtney (March 24, 2000). "A new marketing effort tries to raise FT.com's U.S. profile". The New York Times.

Reply to edit request 23-JUN-2018

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Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath each quote, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes at the bottom of the quote box for additional information on each request. It should be noted that much of this information is taken from the following Observer piece:

The subject's Wikipedia article ought not to become just a mirror of the information stated in this one reference. If this information was fact checked by the Observer, then it must have come from somewhere. Reporting on these dates of employment from many different organizations is asking too much for this one reference to do. Thus, in areas where additional clarification was requested, please be sure to provide the suggested references from those publications. When this is ready to be provided to the reviewer, please open a new edit request. Thank you!  spintendo  14:05, 23 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Would like to change "Work" section to "Career".
  Approved.Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

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Thomson began his journalistic career in 1979 as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun).
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In 1983, he became senior feature writer for the The Sydney Morning Herald
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and two years later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald
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as well as the Financial Times (FT).
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In 1990, he co-authored The Chinese Army: An Illustrated History from The Long March to Tiananmen Square.
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Thomson then relocated to Toyko to become full-time correspondent for the FT.
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He was appointed FT’s Foreign News Editor in 1994
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and in 1996 became editor of FT’s weekend edition
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which would become the fasted-growing paper in the UK a year later.
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In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the FT.[3]
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Over the next four years, FT.com launched in the U.S.,[7] and U.S. sales tripled to nearly 150,000.
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  1. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from The Herald (The Herald Sun).
  2. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Sydney Morning Herald.
  3. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Sydney Morning Herald.
  4. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Financial Times.
  5. ^ As mentioned by another editor, this claim is not relevant to the article.
  6. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Financial Times.
  7. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Financial Times.
  8. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Financial Times.
  9. ^ Not germane to the article.
  10. ^ This claim regarding employment should come from the Financial Times.
  11. ^ This claim is more appropriate for the Financial Times Wikipedia article.
@Spintendo: I have used a variety of reliable secondary sources to support employment and dates, using the Observer article only for the year on the copyboy position at Sydney Morning Herald (the position itself is also supported by the Britannica citation). The New Yorker, New York Magazine, and Sydney Morning Herald are also used to support other positions and dates, so I'm confused by the implication the Observer article is asked to do all the fact checking on various positions and dates.
I am unaware of a Wikipedia content guideline suggesting the employer itself must provide verification for employment and dates for a BLP when several publications known for their fact checking also support positions held and dates in question. And how would the employer provide this verification to Wikipedia? What would be satisfactory here before I open a new request? NinaSpezz (talk) 15:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Reply 26-JUN-2018

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Thank you for your reply. I'm happy to go over your proposed text once again to highlight the issue areas.

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Thomson began his journalistic career in 1979 as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun).[1][2]

 B Comments / Feedback  Only the Observer reference is appropriate here.
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

OK. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

In 1983, he became senior feature writer for the The Sydney Morning Herald and two years later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times (FT).[3]

 B Comments / Feedback  Here you have a compound sentence which is making two claims: that he became a senior feature writer and two years later a Beijing correspondent. When one ventures to the New Yorker source, one finds an almost identical copy of this very same text, using practically the same words and identical phrasing style. If one desires to add this text using another source, such as the SMH or the FT, then this link to the improperly paraphrased text is not so clear. That is why I suggested using the other sources. if the New Yorker is the only source you wish to use, then it needs to be put into your own words. (See WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.)

 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I've consulted WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE and I feel this proposed text falls under the category of "When there are a limited number of ways to say the same thing" as a simple statement of facts. The example given in the summary of when close paraphrasing is acceptable is a statement of birth date and place. Similarly, I am stating job titles and years in my proposed text. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


In 1990, he co-authored The Chinese Army: An Illustrated History from The Long March to Tiananmen Square.[4][5]

 B Comments / Feedback  It goes without saying that this is not germane to the article.
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

My understanding through my request to add a bibliography section was that since Thomson is notable as a journalist and executive, and not an author, adding a bibliography section would be seen as promotional. However, here I am only suggesting a statement of a cited fact about the book Thomson co-authored be incorporated into a narrative about his career, which included time spent as a correspondent in China covering Tiananmen Square. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thomson then relocated to Toyko to become full-time correspondent for the FT.

 B Comments / Feedback  This claim has no reference.
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

The references following the immediate next sentence are meant to support this claim. The New Yorker states, "Thomson soon joined the Financial Times full time, and was sent to Japan..." Sydney Morning Herald clarifies Thomson went to Tokyo, Japan, "From Beijing he was posted to Tokyo..." NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

He was appointed FT’s Foreign News Editor in 1994 and in 1996 became editor of FT’s weekend edition, which would become the fasted-growing paper in the UK a year later.[6][3]

 B Comments / Feedback  This is another compound sentence which links back to the New Yorker. Here, a claim is made that the Financial Times "became the "fasted [sic] growing paper in the UK". This sentence implies that it was Mr. Thomson's touch alone which must have led to this embarrassment of riches - only this claim leaves out what the New Yorker said was a salient reason, its "circulation" being tripled due to its price being "heavily discounted."
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Then perhaps the latter statement about growth can either be eliminated or amended to reflect what the New Yorker states, "Over the next three years, in part because the paper’s price was heavily discounted, circulation in the United States more than tripled." NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the FT.[3]

 B Comments / Feedback  Again, we have a near word for word copy of what is reported in the New Yorker.
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Again, this is a brief statement of facts - date, location, and title. There are a limited number of ways to state this. Could also be stated as, "Thomson moved to New York in 1998 and was appointed U.S. managing editor of the FT." NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Over the next four years, FT.com launched in the U.S.,[7] and U.S. sales tripled to nearly 150,000.[1]

 B Comments / Feedback  These claims are more appropriate for the Financial Times article.
 spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

OK. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion of "proposed text"

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Now I understand that we are dealing with very short sentences here, so the ability to paraphrase the material should not be so difficult. But I'm placed in a bind here if it is the New Yorker source that you insist upon using. Because then the text must be either placed in your own words, or given quotation marks and attributed in the text to that publication's author (example: According to so and so of the New Yorker "This is what happened.") Please advise on how you would like to proceed. Thank you!  spintendo  02:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Again, thank you for your considerable time and attention on this. I have responded to each comment above and would be happy to post a new request if we can come to an agreement on the paraphrasing issue. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

I dont see where the sources are for these statements. In my copying of them I neglected to carry over the references. Go ahead and resubmit a new request with the references added. Claims of employment are best coming from the publication that the subject worked at. The references shouldn't come from an interview or any other source aligned with the subject. I see his employment history as the following:
  1. The Herald
  2. SMH
  3. FT
I think mentioning each new publication that the subject joined is germane. By my count that would be three mentions (3). A transfer or a new position within the same company is not really a new job. It's still working for the same employer. As far as the book written by the subject, if it were a book written about modern-day journalism in China, I can see how that would be germane to the article, seeing as how he was a journalist in China. If it's a history book, then I don't think so – unless he was also a historian in China. If it's a historical book about journalism in China, then we'll have to see, maybe that will work. Please advise.  spintendo  22:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Early Career

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I'd like to add the below sentence to the beginning of the "Career" section. I've included four references to demonstrate this is a well-documented fact supported by a variety of sources over time, but I do not expect all four are necessary for inclusion in the Wikipedia article. NinaSpezz (talk) 14:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thomson began his journalistic career in 1979 as a copyboy at The Herald in Melbourne (now the Herald Sun).[1][2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker. He attended an all-boys Catholic high school, graduated in 1979, and worked that summer as a copyboy at an afternoon newspaper, the Herald.
  2. ^ McGeveran, Tom (May 20, 2008). "Robert Thomson Named Editor of The Wall Street Journal". Observer. He has served as a correspondent in Beijing and Tokyo, and began his career as a copy boy at The Herald, Melbourne, in 1979.
  3. ^ Arango, Tim (April 28, 2008). "Murdoch's 'Head of Content'". New York Times. He initially bypasses university (he earns a degree later in life) to become a copy boy at age 17 at The Melbourne Herald...
  4. ^ Potter, Ben (December 8, 2012). "Copy boy to Rupert Murdoch's main man". Australian Financial Review. He started as a copy boy at the old Melbourne Herald,...

Reply 16-JUL-2018

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 spintendo  16:18, 16 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Sydney Morning Herald & Financial Times

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I'd like to add the below as the second sentence in the "Career" section. I've included several references to demonstrate the positions held at each publication are well-documented facts supported by a variety of sources over time, some of which are already used in the article, but I do not expect all are necessary for inclusion. NinaSpezz (talk) 15:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

In 1983, he became senior feature writer for The Sydney Morning Herald[1][2][3][4][5][6] and two years later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times (FT).[7][8][9][10]

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  1. ^ "'Rupert has got a crush on you'". The Sydney Morning Herald. March 23, 2013. After three years, he scored a coveted posting to The Herald's Sydney bureau from where, in 1983, he jumped to The Sydney Morning Herald.
  2. ^ O'Carroll, Lisa (December 3, 2012). "Robert Thomson to head News Corp's demerged publishing arm". The Guardian. In 1983 he moved to the Sydney Morning Herald
  3. ^ Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker. The Sydney Morning Herald hired Thomson in 1983 as a senior feature writer...
  4. ^ "Robert Thomson". Bloomberg. Retrieved August 6, 2018.
  5. ^ "The Sydney Morning Herald". Crunchbase. Retrieved August 6, 2018.
  6. ^ "Robert Thomson AUSTRALIAN JOURNALIST AND EDITOR". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved August 6, 2018. ...and later at the Sydney Morning Herald
  7. ^ "'Rupert has got a crush on you'". The Sydney Morning Herald. March 23, 2013. When Fairfax looked to appoint a new China correspondent in 1985, Thomson, still less than seven years in journalism, leapt at the chance. In the mid-'80s the London Financial Times did not have a staff correspondent in Beijing, taking its coverage instead from the resident Fairfax correspondent. Robert Thomson was immediately "our man in China" for the world's most influential business newspaper... After his three-year Fairfax posting, Thomson became the first Financial Times staff correspondent in China.
  8. ^ Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker. ...two years later, sent him to Beijing, where it wasn't long before he started writing for the Financial Times.
  9. ^ "The Interview: Robert Thomson". The Independent. March 14, 2005. In the early 1980s, he went to Beijing for the Sydney Morning Herald, and began stringing for the Financial Times.
  10. ^ "Robert Thomson AUSTRALIAN JOURNALIST AND EDITOR". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved August 6, 2018. In 1985, when he was 24, he was appointed the Sydney Morning Herald's Beijing correspondent. In China he started working freelance for the Financial Times (FT).

  Done used ref 1 &7 (combined) --Danski454 (talk) 16:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

Expand career section

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I'd like to add the content below to the "Career" section after the sentence ending in "Financial Times". I've included several references to demonstrate the different positions held at different editions within the Financial Times are well-documented facts supported by a variety of sources over time, some of which are already used in the article, but I do not expect all are necessary for inclusion. NinaSpezz (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thomson then relocated to Toyko to become full-time correspondent for the Financial Times.[1][2][3] Thomson was appointed the Financial Times Foreign News Editor in 1994[1][2][3][4] and in 1996 became editor of the Financial Times weekend edition.[1][3][4]
In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times.[3][5]

References

  1. ^ a b c "'Rupert has got a crush on you'". The Sydney Morning Herald. March 23, 2013. From Beijing he was posted to Tokyo and then called to London in 1994 to become foreign news editor... In 1996 he was made editor of the Financial Times's weekend edition
  2. ^ a b Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker. Thomson soon joined the Financial Times full time, and was sent to Japan...In 1994, Thomson was named foreign-news editor of the Financial Times, and moved to London... Four years later, Thomson moved to New York and became the U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times.
  3. ^ a b c d Mason, Max (April 12, 2019). "Rupert's man: the Victorian 'bush lad' at the top of News Corp". Australian Financial Review. Thomson then went to Tokyo for the FT before moving to London in 1994 to became foreign news editor. But it was as editor of Weekend FT that he really made his name at the paper. In 1996 he gave it a makeover...In 1998, Thomson was given the reins of the recently launched US edition and a budget to take on The Wall Street Journal.
  4. ^ a b Interview conducted by Paul Gough (29 November 2014). "Interview with Robert Thomson: Media Man". RMIT Alumni Magazine. RMIT. Retrieved 29 November 2014.
  5. ^ Arango, Tim (April 28, 2008). "Murdoch's 'Head of Content'". New York Times.

Reply 17-JUL-2019

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   Clarification requested  

  1. This information was previously removed by Justlettersandnumbers.
  2. The first sentence does not give a date.
  3. The second compound sentence's first part Thomson was appointed the Financial Times Foreign News Editor in 1994 needs only the New Yorker reference.
  4. The second compound sentence's second part in 1996 became editor of the Financial Times weekend edition is not verified by any of the provided sources.
  5. The third sentence In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times is not verified by the provided sources (i.e., In 1998, Thomson was given the reins of the recently launched US edition, in that "given the reins" does not indicate a position; and the Arango source does not include the |quote= parameter).

Regards,  Spintendo  01:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reply 18-JUL-2019

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Based on the feedback above, I have revised this request to add the following content to the "Career" section after the sentence ending in "Financial Times". I am aware this information was previously removed. However, the reason given for the removal was unsourced content.

Please note a year is not provided for the relocation to Tokyo, Japan because the three citations provided that verify a move do not give a date, but do place the move and position as having occurred between other career milestones. NinaSpezz (talk) 13:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thomson then relocated to Toyko to become full-time correspondent for the Financial Times.[1][2][3] Thomson was appointed the Financial Times foreign news editor in 1994[2] and in 1996 became editor of the Financial Times weekend edition.[1][3][4]
In 1998, Thomson moved to New York to become U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times.[2][5]

References

  1. ^ a b "'Rupert has got a crush on you'". The Sydney Morning Herald. March 23, 2013. From Beijing he was posted to Tokyo and then called to London in 1994 to become foreign news editor... In 1996 he was made editor of the Financial Times's weekend edition
  2. ^ a b c Auletta, Ken (April 4, 2011). "Murdoch's Best Friend". The New Yorker. Thomson soon joined the Financial Times full time, and was sent to Japan... In 1994, Thomson was named foreign-news editor of the Financial Times, and moved to London... Four years later, Thomson moved to New York and became the U.S. managing editor of the Financial Times.
  3. ^ a b Mason, Max (April 12, 2019). "Rupert's man: the Victorian 'bush lad' at the top of News Corp". Australian Financial Review. Thomson then went to Tokyo for the FT before moving to London in 1994 to became foreign news editor. But it was as editor of Weekend FT that he really made his name at the paper. In 1996 he gave it a makeover...In 1998, Thomson was given the reins of the recently launched US edition and a budget to take on The Wall Street Journal.
  4. ^ Interview conducted by Paul Gough (29 November 2014). "Interview with Robert Thomson: Media Man". RMIT Alumni Magazine. RMIT. Retrieved 29 November 2014. Then you moved from being a journalist to an editor; first at the Financial Times (FT) in the UK, as foreign news editor, then at the Weekend Financial Times.
  5. ^ Arango, Tim (April 28, 2008). "Murdoch's 'Head of Content'". New York Times. As he worked his way up the ranks of The Financial Times, eventually becoming United States managing editor in 1998...

Reply 18-JUL-2019

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   Edit request implemented  

  • The claim regarding relocating to Tokyo was not added, as it conflicts with the prior claim two years later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times. "As well as the Financial Times" does not clarify if this is the same position at the Financial Times in Tokyo, because the "Beijing" correspondent could very well have worked out of Tokyo — as correspondents are not necessarily attached to the exact city specified — and the claim does not state "as well as for the Financial Times" which would have more definatively placed them in Beijing (i.e., became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as for the Financial Times.) There is no surety without dates.

Regards,  Spintendo  14:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

The Judges Book

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I would like to add just after the sentence that ends with "...later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times.":

While at Sydney Morning Herald, Thomson wrote a series on Australian judges, which was published as a book in 1987, The Judges: A Portrait of an Australian Judiciary.[1][2][3]

NinaSpezz (talk) 16:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@NinaSpezz:your edit request has been implemnted Trains2050 (talk) 17:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Mason, Max (12 April 2019). "Rupert's man: the Victorian 'bush lad' at the top of News Corp". The Australian Financial Review. He wrote a lauded series on Australian judges, which he turned into a book: The Judges: A Portrait of the Australian Judiciary
  2. ^ "The judges". National Library of Australia. Retrieved June 9, 2020.
  3. ^ Baker, Mark. "ROBERT THOMSON". The Australian Media Hall of Fame. Retrieved June 9, 2020. Thomson proposed an ambitious project – a series of interviews with Australia's reclusive judges. It led to a book and a Journalist of the Year nomination.

Tokyo Correspondent + Citation Needed

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I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Robert Thomson I would like to add the following just after the sentence that ends with "...later became Beijing correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald as well as the Financial Times."

Thomson then became a Tokyo correspondent for the Financial Times in 1989.[1][2][3]

In addition, I'd like to suggest the following citations to address the "citation needed" tag on the page following "In May 2008 he was appointed managing editor of the Wall Street Journal, having previously been the editor of The Times." [4][5]

NinaSpezz (talk) 17:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

I made these changes. I did not use all of the suggested sources. For the WSJ position I added a Bloomberg article. Thanks.DesertDana (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Milmo, Dan; Hodgson, Jessica; Gibson, Owen (21 February 2002). "Times editor quits unexpectedly". The Guardian. Thomson joined the FT in 1985 as the paper's China correspondent and became Tokyo correspondent in 1989, before returning to London to become foreign editor.
  2. ^ "The Interview: Robert Thomson". The Independent. 14 March 2005. He went on to become the FT's correspondent in the Chinese capital - where he met his wife, Wang Ping (with whom he has two young boys) - and then in Tokyo.
  3. ^ Knott, Matthew (12 December 2012). "Creation of a Murdoch man: Robert Thomson's rise and rise". Crikey. As Tokyo correspondent he covered the rise and fall of Japan's bubble economy.
  4. ^ Andrew, Clark (21 May 2008). "Murdoch tightens control of Journal". The Guardian. The former Times editor Robert Thomson was named managing editor of the Wall Street Journal last night...
  5. ^ Knott, Matthew (12 December 2012). "Creation of a Murdoch man: Robert Thomson's rise and rise". Crikey. The mogul, according to Guthrie, virtually "stalked" Thomson until he agreed to edit The Times of London...When Murdoch was circling the Dow Jones group (which publishes The Wall Street Journal) Thomson acted as a confidant and adviser, later becoming the Journal's managing editor.