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Results from previous years
editA series of articles listing previous years results would be good, e.g.,
Paul foord 12:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Consider it done!
editRock Eisteddfod Challenge Results --Deanbarnett 10:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Neutrality and accuracy
editThe Concept section makes many claims that aren't and probably can't be supported. "Many students benefit from a strong sense of pride in their school and student / teacher relationships are enhanced through the experience." Is there a newspaper report that backs this up? A published survey of students and teachers? Please review Attribution for guidance. CovenantD 11:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well I participated and I don't care what 'proof' you need to make this point valid. But I can guarantee that it absolutely does foster feelings of pride. Relationships with teachers and students are much better with participation in this event. I'm telling you it's true because I know it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.80.139 (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- I can understand your sentiments, but what you are adding here is what is known as original research (see WP:OR), or a non-neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV) You will possibly find that a frustrating aspect of Wikipedia, but it makes this encyclopaedia more like a peer reviewed academic journal than a collection of personal anecdotes. The latter would not be a good thing. While you personally feel the way you describe, you cannot speak for all other participants. I happen to know some who found it a quite depressing experience because of seeing obvious cheating carried out by their less honest competitors, and that cheating rewarded by the judges. But I can't add that to the article either. It's just my opinion. HiLo48 (talk)
- Yes I agree that my opinion is not research. Regarding people feeling depressed because of 'cheating'. Thats because they clearly had judging decisions that were not to their liking so they spat the dummy and made ridiculous claims about cheating. However, yes I can't show you any research regarding my claims so that's fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.252.193 (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think you'll find much argument on that count. This article could really do with a cleanup - I think hacking into it and getting rid of some of the mass POV would be better than tagging it. Rebecca 12:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I found this while clearing out months old uncited tags, and I think I'll continue to do that (or go to bed). But thank you for the suggestion. The tag should stay so that the primary author can take corrective action before I get back to it. They obviously know a lot more than I do. CovenantD 12:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Deanbarnett, don't forget to link the references to specific claims. You can't just list a bunch of news articles and call them references. CovenantD 12:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- K; I'm just trying to gather up sources etc. :)Deanbarnett 12:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hello - not sure who has appointed themselves as experts on this topic, but much of the POV is proven in independent research by academics such as Professor Don Nutbeam – Professor of Public Health and Community Medicine at University of Sydney whose results over three years found that Sydney school participants were more resilient and less likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco, binge drink or take other drugs compared to the control group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.192.59 (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Classical error in interpreting statistics there. Yes, there is a correlation, but no evidence of what, if any, cause and effect exists. It's highly likely that those who choose to participate in events like Rock Eisteddfod are already members of the cohort which is "more resilient and less likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco, binge drink or take other drugs". HiLo48 (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- I also read somewhere that people who engage in Rock Eisteddford are less likely to have peanut allergies. Their parents usually don't hurt them with physical trauma and their teachers don't have anxiety disorder. I read all this in the magazine. I'm working for the schools now to help them find children to put into Barack Eistenford. I'm really clear about this. If you would like to ask me anything about Rock Astedford please send me an email to rock.senford@participation.edu.au - thanks for your kind concern -User:Not-Yet-Registered-But-Will-Tomorrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.253.81 (talk) 08:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
- This whole article has been completely re-written to try and remove some of the subjectivity. Admittedly, a primary source is the GRC website that lacks impartially. Nevertheless, I have added additional third-party sources, where possible. Rangasyd (talk) 12:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- I also read somewhere that people who engage in Rock Eisteddford are less likely to have peanut allergies. Their parents usually don't hurt them with physical trauma and their teachers don't have anxiety disorder. I read all this in the magazine. I'm working for the schools now to help them find children to put into Barack Eistenford. I'm really clear about this. If you would like to ask me anything about Rock Astedford please send me an email to rock.senford@participation.edu.au - thanks for your kind concern -User:Not-Yet-Registered-But-Will-Tomorrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.253.81 (talk) 08:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
- Classical error in interpreting statistics there. Yes, there is a correlation, but no evidence of what, if any, cause and effect exists. It's highly likely that those who choose to participate in events like Rock Eisteddfod are already members of the cohort which is "more resilient and less likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco, binge drink or take other drugs". HiLo48 (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hello - not sure who has appointed themselves as experts on this topic, but much of the POV is proven in independent research by academics such as Professor Don Nutbeam – Professor of Public Health and Community Medicine at University of Sydney whose results over three years found that Sydney school participants were more resilient and less likely to smoke marijuana or tobacco, binge drink or take other drugs compared to the control group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.192.59 (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- K; I'm just trying to gather up sources etc. :)Deanbarnett 12:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Deanbarnett, don't forget to link the references to specific claims. You can't just list a bunch of news articles and call them references. CovenantD 12:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I found this while clearing out months old uncited tags, and I think I'll continue to do that (or go to bed). But thank you for the suggestion. The tag should stay so that the primary author can take corrective action before I get back to it. They obviously know a lot more than I do. CovenantD 12:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think you'll find much argument on that count. This article could really do with a cleanup - I think hacking into it and getting rid of some of the mass POV would be better than tagging it. Rebecca 12:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes I agree that my opinion is not research. Regarding people feeling depressed because of 'cheating'. Thats because they clearly had judging decisions that were not to their liking so they spat the dummy and made ridiculous claims about cheating. However, yes I can't show you any research regarding my claims so that's fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.252.193 (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- I can understand your sentiments, but what you are adding here is what is known as original research (see WP:OR), or a non-neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV) You will possibly find that a frustrating aspect of Wikipedia, but it makes this encyclopaedia more like a peer reviewed academic journal than a collection of personal anecdotes. The latter would not be a good thing. While you personally feel the way you describe, you cannot speak for all other participants. I happen to know some who found it a quite depressing experience because of seeing obvious cheating carried out by their less honest competitors, and that cheating rewarded by the judges. But I can't add that to the article either. It's just my opinion. HiLo48 (talk)
- Well I participated and I don't care what 'proof' you need to make this point valid. But I can guarantee that it absolutely does foster feelings of pride. Relationships with teachers and students are much better with participation in this event. I'm telling you it's true because I know it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.80.139 (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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