Talk:Rockstar (Nickelback song)/Archive 1

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Who keeps adding Victoria Beckham to the list of people in the video? The blonde woman in front of the hilltop is *NOT* her. She does not appear in the music video. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.177.34.102 (talk) 14:49, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

'Voted' best comeback

As anyone with even a passing interest in music charts will tell you, the idea that a song could be 'voted best comeback' on the Hot 100 is nonsense. It re-entered the chart that week (it's common sense to call the week by it's chart date (July 7), not 'week 27'), it wasn't voted anything, and it's that website that calls a chart's highest re-entry a 'comeback', not Billboard, who actually produce the chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.121 (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Music video participant

Isn't the people in front of the Reichstag building in Berlin (070.) Miley Cyrus and her dad Billy Ray Cyrus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.253.126 (talk) 20:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was but no...it's not her. just saw the vid this morning actually and it really looks like her. but it isnt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.222.253 (talk) 00:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think #20 is Alessandra Ambrosio, is it? And that doesn't look like Daisy Marie either (#36) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.148.166.180 (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

This is entire edit war of the list and the genre is quite stupid

So I had a better idea. And yes this is possible. How about we just you know... Send them an E-Mail or a letter and stop this edit war. Angry Sun 02:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

genre?

im confused. is the genre "country rock" or "hard rock"? the whole things confusing now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.151.101 (talk) 16:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Rhapsody lists it as Alternative/Punk. TJ Spyke 09:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Censorship on radio

I just heard this song on Virgin (UK) a noticed the word "ass" is blanked out (e.g. they just sing "Hire eight body guards that love to beat up / Sign a couple autographs so I can eat my meals for free" and "I'm gonna dress my with the latest fashion"). The drug references were still there though. 13:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Obscure?

Hi, I've just re-added the info on the parody TCW did of this video. I find it hard to believe that you find a unit of the British military who are in a war zone making such a video as "too obscure".

The Royal Dragoon Guard's parody of Amarillo gets a mention on that page, why shouldn't this? --LookingYourBest (talk) 14:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Barring a truly newsworthy event, it's obscure trivia. It has nothing to do with the source of the video. The other parody you mention was notable for crashing a server at the MoD. (Although there's no supporting verification for that. I'd remove the other link as well, but I'm watching this article, not that one. Also, that text has been in place for over 2-1/2 years.) Please don't take it as an affront because of any affiliation you may have with TCW.

If you look at WP:SONG, the featured (model) articles do not have parody sections. Yesterday has a slew of parodies but not one is mentioned. I Love Rock 'N Roll has a section for other cover versions, which includes a Weird Al parody. Rockstar wouldn't even qualify for a list of covers, let alone a section of parodies. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

song meaning

I'm removing the parts of the song meaning section that refer to the devil, since not only does it seem like a stretch, but it claims a citation int he form of "songmeanings.com" which is a site, like wikipedia, that is user-edited. IE I could right now add to it that the song is about the Armenian genocide, cite that and put it on wikipedia. Then I could go to the Nickelback page and write that they had addressed controversial topics such as the Armenian genocide. Then I could go BACK to songmeanings and write that I wanted to suck Chad Kroeger's penis, and then I could come back to "rockstar" on wikipedia and write that "this song makes some listeners want to suck chad kroeger's cock" point taken? Dsmccohen 12:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think there's nothing wrong with citing user-edited sites -- you just have credit the *user* not the site. In your example it would mean you said it would degenerate to "this song makes some listeners want to suck chad kroeger's cock -- Dsmccohen on songmeanings.com". 62.232.55.118 (talk) 11:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources (online and paper), such a site is unacceptable as a source. Flatscan (talk) 02:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it appropriate?

To have the entire video listed out clip for clip of the people in it. Wikipedia discourages lists, especially extensive ones. I will leave it for now but what do you think? 80.195.80.148 (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It may be discouraged but I don't see anything in the list guidelines to justify its removal. The list does appear to violate verifiability. Also, it contains the lyrics to the song, which may infringe copyright as I don't think annotated lyrics qualify as fair use. That said, quite a lot of effort has gone into the list over the past six months. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 10:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Given the unique nature of the video I think it entirely appropriate. CoW mAnX (talk) 07:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that's what the song is about. --MahaPanta (talk) 05:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

censorship

i saw the video on vh1 today and we need to say something about how heavily it is censored. i swear every other word is omitted, here is what they block: the drugs come cheap i'm gonna bite my pills from a pez dispenser everybody's got a drug dealer on speed dial and there's some more but i forgot... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.222.253 (talk) 01:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me like they should just play 5 seconds of "Hey hey, I wanna be a rock star" and get it over and done with :-) In the "Clean Version" I have watched, only "ass" is censored (some sort of scrambling, might be a DVD error) and even "assholes" is left alone 78.86.230.62 (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's satire. I think it's the truth

I think the lyrics accurately describe how life is for a modern rock star.

If you think about it, most modern rock stars (Green Day, Blink 182, Marilyn Manson, Evanescence, Moby and Foo Fighters) live exactly the kind of life describe in the song.

Nickelback is trying to warn future rock stars about going down the wrong road. That's why Gene Simmons is in the video, he represents the more honorable, less frivilous and less money-hungry rock stars of the 60s/70s.

Gene Simmons is less frivolous and less money-hungry? Ha! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.65.37 (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

1-Gene Simmons is frivolous and money-hungry to the max. He sells life insurance 2-It may not be satire because Nickelback lives this lifestyle. But they may not have initially intended to, or may be trying to use this song to distance themselves from that.

References

Kirsten Dunst

Nr 83 is Kirsten Dunst (not Dominique Swain), i'am sure of it. I'am just comparing the screenshot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.91.87.113 (talk) 02:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

118 is not Kirsten Dunst. Freeze frame the video and it's quite clear. Also, the friend is the one from 080. Just two unknown women. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 02:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

looks more like kirsten in the bath was sure it was her —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.234.190 (talk) 18:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Don´t think so. If you see the video in high quality and freeze the frame, than for me it is quite clear that it must be Kirsten Dunst. Anybody with annother meaning? 92.226.150.199 (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure which you're addressing, the bath or the Sydney shot. The bath is definitely Dominique Swain and the Sydney shot is of two women, one of which is in an earlier shot alone in front of the bridge. At a minimum you'll need to resolve: 1) being in Sydney; 2) having red hair; and 3) having a totally random friend be in one more shot than herself in Sydney.

Kirsten Dunst is not in the video. (I've seen the video in high quality.) Their label has free versions on their web site if anyone's interested. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I ment the shot in front of the opera house. But after watching it in high res on QuickTime Player I guess you´re right. But, you have to agree that she looks like Kirsten Dunst in the first moment ;) 85.176.246.250 (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Line #54

The guy singing "I wanna be great like Elvis" looks an awful lot like LeVar Burton. Is it? 76.102.47.166 (talk) 20:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Definitely not. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say definitely? 24.20.217.215 (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If you have a higher-resolution version of the video (there are links on this page), you will see that it is clearly not LeVar Burton. It's also not the butler from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. More importantly, there is no confirming information anywhere that can be referenced. If you have some, please, it would be good to know. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

And if anyone thinks it is either LeVar Burton or Joseph Marcell (the Butler in question, above) it could just as easily be Ray Parker Jr or any number of other famous black people...anyone get the feeling the OP is white? :-)

For the reference, the guy is NONE of those :-P 78.86.230.62 (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Many people have changed that entry to LeVar Burton or Joseph Marcell. There is clearly confusion for some people - most of whom probably aren't inspecting the video closely or have a poor copy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin Ruddy (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I was the OP, and did not at any time edit this article. (And inasmuch as it matters, yes, I'm white.) At first glance, the participant bore a passing resemblance to Mr. Burton, but I posed the question here first. In looking at the video since then (and at higher resolution), Kevin is absolutely correct, and I refrained from making the edit. In retrospect, such discussions about "isn't that so-and-so in line X" seem to be better suited to other forums, so for that I apologize. --76.102.47.166 (talk) 21:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

A Wikipedia editor checking a "higher-resolution version" (or a low-res version) for that matter is blatant original research, which this article has way too much of. Superm401 - Talk 22:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

#54 remains unknown/unsourced; there was no "blatant original research." It was clear that a change would require a confirmational source. The OP was redirected to a better quality copy so they could be personally satisfied. It was also pointed out that several people have changed that particular entry based on their own perceptions (and not sources). --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Parody

What's wrong with the Youtube parody? 169.233.58.87 (talk) 06:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Music video section a bit excessive?

I feel like Wikipedia is not really the appropriate place to list every single cameo or appearance in a music video, especially when that list is over 100 items long. I mean, the section even mentions Yahoo Answers (which, in itself, is not exactly 'notable' enough for inclusion on Wikipedia)... Why not just keep all this sort of discussion over there instead of on an online encyclopedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.244.252 (talk) 19:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Yahoo Answers is not a reliable source (and I say this even though I've contributed more there than here lately). Superm401 - Talk 22:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it: I note how it also contained copyrighted lyrics, too, and they shouldn't be listed. I'm amazed it was up this long. Acalamari 02:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Realesed... when?

The single was first released (in United States) August 22 or September 22?? Isn't clear!! --Sanremofilo (talk) 06:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Names of non-celebs

We need to find a source for each one of those or just replace with "boy, girl, man, woman", etc. Crash Underride 08:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Music video

Nr 109; could this be Katey Sagal(Peggy Bundy) in front of theme fountain of maried with children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.127.90 (talk) 00:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not. Clever, though. —Kevin Ruddy (talk) 05:51, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

034: Could he be the guy of scrubs ? the housekeeper (?) (sry, I'm german ;) )

Another cameo in the video that directly relates to that celebrity would also be when Gene Simmons lip-syncs the lyric with Cher. Gene Simmons and Cher once had a serious relationship in the 80s. Jshwa6 20:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Akon in the video? it looks like him dancing by the house construction or wood.--Crocodileman 22:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction - The describing paragraph in Music Video states that "At the end of the video Nickelback is shown playing live on stage; this shot was filmed in July 2007, at a show in Mansfield, Massachusetts." Yet in the numbered break down of each scene, it says "128. Nickelback fans at Hershey, PA concert / Chad Kroeger / Mike Kroeger and Ryan Peake" which one is correct? --Skyleth 14:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Mansfield, Massachusetts is the correct location. There is even a YouTube video from the crowd documenting it, as well as the comment below. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Not that they couldn't have recorded at multiple shows, but I was at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield when they announced they were shooting for the video. The columns at the far edge of the venue also appear to be Tweeter's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Essempiem (talk • contribs) 15:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Isn't number 39 actually Blake Lively (Gossip Girl, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants) at Grand Central Station in New York? --Lpilsbury 05:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

099. I think it's Brittany Daniel, who played brandy on "Joe Dirt" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.225.149 (talk) 03:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

099. Kellie Pickler? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.22.172 (talk) 04:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

118. Is that Kirsten Dunst on the right? It kinda looks like her, but I'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.71.83 (talk) 15:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Kirsten Dunst is not in this video anywhere. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

091. This is absolutely not Amy Smart. I don't know who it is, but it's not Amy Smart. It doesn't even look like her. Xenon52 07:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

091. Could it be Anna Faris?

005. Isn't number five (old lady) Eric Idle in drag? Joyhoney 16:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

108. Isn't this carmen electra? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.241.217.15 (talk) 21:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

20 is NOT Alessandra Ambrosio, pleaes correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.98.232 (talk) 14:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

99 I don't think this is Victoria Beckham

99 I don't think this is Gwenno Saunders and since no one can verify with any degree of accuracy the validity of her appearance, the article should simply be edited to "woman". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.220.213 (talk) 06:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

116 The boy in front of Tower Bridge. I think it's Alex Stobbs, the subject of "A Boy Called Alex", a Channel 4 (UK) documentary of someone living with cystic fibrosis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.192.40 (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

That's an excellent thought (musical boy with illness), but they don't seem to have the same facial structure or hair. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

When was the video filmed though? It's not an exact likeness, but it depends how far apart the filming of the show and the video were. Also, the video quality of the one I saw wasn't great, just the youtube video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.192.40 (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

According to the Music video section, the video was being planned in June 2007 and the concert footage is from mid-July 2007. The exact date of release for the video itself isn't listed. If it had been shot a couple of years earlier, perhaps. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

3. I see no evidence that the man in the music video is Fatal1ty, despite the similarity. Having looked at numerous photos of the fellow now, his ears and mouth (and age of face) look different. An appropriate lyric to be associated with, though (and I'm never gonna win) --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 05:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Definitely not...pause the vid and open the picture on wiki and compare them side by side...I looked at the ears of the two and there's definite differences 78.86.230.62 (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of Jenna Westerbeck, but surely 36 is Keira Knightley. Anyone? EJ 11/03/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.221.133.226 (talk) 14:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's Jenna. See her Myspace page. It was erroneously credited as Daisy Marie initially because MTV/VH1 (i forget which) said it was! Thedarxide (talk) 16:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Serena, Melanie, and Vanessa Chung from East Kilbride, Scotland: You can find their photo gallery from Body Doubles International. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Dizzie Rascal: I don't think the third person in the limo is him. He has worked with Twista (there's a video of them and a few others rapping in New York) but he's from London and I can't find any supporting evidence. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 14:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Brandon Berman: Parent claims "Brandon M. Berman, Age 12, Weston, FL" and such a person exists; I'll leave it for now but clean it up. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 14:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

39: Chris Noth? ('Big' from Sex and the City) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.199.209 (talk) 10:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Not even the right gender (39 is Jessie Coleman in Grand Central). At any rate, Chris Noth is not in the video. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"Brian walton"

I did a quick search for the name (it's none of the BW's on wikipedia) and google linked me to http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm2857022/ ...bit of a long shot, but could it be the same guy? His one credit is for "Keeping Mum" which is a UK movie and he was "production banker" for the film and looks to me like a banker in the song :-)

Coincidence? 78.86.230.62 (talk) 13:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know if it's the same guy or not. But he is an actor/model in the UK at UGLY. Feel free to check UGLY's search page or his image. --Kevin Ruddy (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I am going to assume it's not him...mostly because the guy's an actor at this stage, although he COULD have been production banking services back then and decided to make the leap, I guess...just the banking link doesn't look like it's as strong as it was :-) 78.86.230.62 (talk) 18:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

This is the Brian Walton in the video: [1] --86.178.142.209 (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Guy in the steel mill

I have no evidence of this, but if you look at the guy in the steel mill with the shovel and the hard hat, it looks like his shot was done in front of a green/blue screen. He really doesn't appear to be dressed appropriately for his job. I could be wrong but I just wanted to point that out. Eli H 02:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought exactly the same thing. It's probably a random dude that they threw in front of the green/blue screen for the video. Xenon52 07:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the guy in the steel mill is actually a mold breaker and where is if he was working with hot Steel he would have a full protective suit on the mold Breakers wait a good amount of time before they Breakaway the mold from the casting and as such do not need the protective suits Tapalmer99 (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2021

I have 4 edit requests: 1) The third sentence of the first paragraph of this article should be changed from "The lyrics feature the pretentious, materialistic desires of a wannabe rockstar, who craves money, cars and women.", to "The lyrics feature the hopes of someone who desires to be a rockstar."

The above change is needed to remove personal opinion from an informational article.

2) Perhaps the second paragraph in the section "Composition" (starting sentence "In May 2020, Kirk Johnston") should be moved into a different section titled "Lawsuits".

The above is suggested to differentiate the description of the composition of the song and the lawsuit filed against it.

3) Under the "Critical Reception" section: Starting from the sentence "A 2008 Popjustice poll voted "Rockstar" as the worst single of the year.[10]" to the end of the paragraph should be removed.

The above is suggested to balance the reviews of the song and return the article to a neutral tone.

4) Under the "Critical Reception" section: The second paragraph (starting with the sentence "The song has been used to mock the band.") should be removed.

The above is to return the article to a neutral tone. The above is also because the relevancy of the second paragraph is lacking.

Thank you for your time Onlyinred (talk) 02:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Onlyinred:

1)  Done Clearly in violation of WP:NPOV. Good call.

2)  Partly done: I've made your suggested section Lawsuit a heading 2 sub-section of Composition, rather than an entirely different section, as it is directly related to the song's composition.

3)  Partly done: I have opted instead to remove A 2008 Popjustice poll voted "Rockstar" as the worst single of the year., stating that "If aliens came to earth and asked why everyone hates Nickelback so much, this song would be a perfect explanation.", and He concluded his review by stating, "In summary, this song makes literally no sense and is the worst thing of all time.". I've left the rest in order to try and maintain adherence to WP:WEIGHT, as it appears - based on my knowledge of the article - that the mainstream opinion is that the song is poor.

4)  Done I agree that both the mentioning of the British sofa retalier and the Cyanide and Happiness skit is not really relevant, and is a bit silly.

Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)