Talk:Rodmarton Manor

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Review: September 18, 2016. (Reviewed version).

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~~Short history~~^[1]
~~Full description~~^[2]
~~Listed building~~^[3]
~~Domesday record~~ (not keen)^[4]
~~Biddulph's opened up house as Maternity home^[5] until after the war~~^[6]
~~Alfred Powell "designed mouldings, panelling and furniture"~~^[7]
Furniture by Barnsleys and Gimson^[8]
~~Another Telegraph article~~^[9]
~~Manor house built with cottages~~^[10]
~~Very good book source~~^[11]
Current owners & furniture^[12]
~~Lots of info (full chapter) - head gardener, building materials, gardens~~^[13]

References

^ Richardson, Tim (15 June 2012). "Rodmarton Manor: original and still the best". The Telegraph. Retrieved 26 August 2016.
^ Ross, David. "Rodmarton Manor". Britain Express. Retrieved 26 August 2016.
^ "Rodmarton Manor". Historic England. Retrieved 26 August 2016.
^ "Rodmarton Manor". BBC Domesday reloaded. Retrieved 26 August 2016.
^ "Cotswold gleaning". Cheltenham Chronical and Gloucestershire Graphic. 28 August 1943. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ "Maternity home for Cirencester". Western Daily Press. 25 August 1943. p. 2. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ Sarsby, Jacqueline (1997). "Alfred Powell: Idealism and Realism in the Cotswolds". Journal of Design History. 10 (4): 390. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ Jordan, Tim; Walrond, Lionel (2014). "Amberley and Rodmarton". The Cotswold House. Amberley Publishing Limited. ISBN 9781445637228.
^ Powell, Kenneth (13 August 1999). "A house built on the rock of idealism". The Telegraph. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ Baggs, A. P.; Jurica, A. R. J.; Sheils, W. J. (1976). "Rodmarton". British History Online. London: Victoria County History. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ Coleman, Brian D. (2005). "Rodmarton House". Historic arts & crafts homes of Great Britain (1st ed. ed.). Salt Lake City: G. Smith. pp. 92–112. ISBN 9781586855314. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)
^ Ecott, Tim (12 March 2005). "Crafty old Cotswolds". The Guardian. Retrieved 29 August 2016.
^ Plumptre, George (2014). "Rodmarton Manor". The English Country House Garden: Traditional Retreats to Contemporary Masterpieces. Frances Lincoln. ISBN 9781781011881.

GA Review

Latest comment: 8 years ago13 comments3 people in discussion

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rodmarton Manor/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hchc2009 (talk · contribs) 17:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

I'll read through this evening and review properly tomorrow. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks very much for taking it on Hchc2009 Worm^TT(talk) 18:32, 5 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hchc2009 will certainly pick this up, but it's Grade I in the article and Grade II in the infobox. KJP1 (talk) 07:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

No any more! Thanks KJP1 Worm^TT(talk) 07:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

All looks good - thanks for all your work on this Worm-TT. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear and concise, respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct;

" they organised classes for villagers" - is it worth explaining that these took place in the manor house itself?
Done
" All the construction materials were obtained locally, and were hand worked by local craftsmen." - minor, but you could lose the second "were"
Done
"a central circular lawned courtyard" - I think you need some commas here to separate the adjectives
Done
"whilst the central 'public' wing was not lived in by the family, instead it was used for community teaching and events" - "public" needs double speechmarks under the MOS I think (similarly for other cases). "instead it was used" feels like slightly the wrong tense: "instead being used"?
Done
"The southern gardens were hedged into external 'rooms'" - this reads very oddly; I think the way you've got in the main text reads more naturally
Done
"which provided much food for the house." - was this supposed to mean "provided much of the food for the house", or "provided a lot of food for the house"? As written, it means the latter, but if so, it is an odd way of putting it.
Done I mean the former, just missed the words! Worm^TT(talk)
"The house was described Charles Ashbee as the single best example of the Arts and Crafts movement." - "by Charles Ashbee". Worth mentioning who Ashbee is in-line, e.g. "described by the designer Charles Ashbee"
Done
"During World War II, the house was used as an evacuation point for a London Catholic school, and a maternity house due the shortage of midwives" - worth linking World War II; do we know which school?; "and as a maternity house"
It's taken a bit of digging, and the school merged with another in 1960s, so I've just mentioned it in the article but not put it in the lead Worm^TT(talk)
"Claud Biddulph had been given 500 acres" - as the initial sentence in the initial para, it would be great if we could say Claud was, and which year this is
Done
"by his father" - do we have any details on who he was?
Done hadn't realised his father was an MP!
"and committed £5000 (equivalent to £520,856 in 2015) per year to building a house" - the template used here notes that it is only appropriate for inflating "Consumer Price Index values: staples, workers' rent, small service bills (doctor's costs, train tickets)" - not the "expenditure of the rich", which is what we're comparing here. You probably want a GDP Deflator or Earnings Index approach; https://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/ could help here.
Done
Although it is linked, knowing what the Arts and Crafts movement was about is essential for the reader understanding the project. Would there be value in explaining (very briefly) what it was?
I've added "a design movement focussed on decorative craftwork and fine art", do you think that explains the movement sufficiently? Worm^TT(talk)
"Barnsley died in the mid-1920s." - To be exact, 1926.
Done

(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Factually accurate and verifiable:

(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout;

(b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;

(c) it contains no original research.

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;

Historic England have some potentially interesting details, including an interpretation of Margaret's role; a bit more on the shape of the wings; the type of stone; the invocation of the village green in the design; a date for the current garden and a more specific claim about Margaret's role; some of the sizes of parts of the garden etc.
Added most of them Worm^TT(talk)
The Long Weekend: Life in the English Country House Between the Wars, By Adrian Tinniswood, available on Google books (pp.108-111), has some interesting bits, including: Claud's name for the building; the lack of contractors contributing to the very long build time; the role of the local blacksmith; more on the interior design; and the intention to revive local skills.
Added most of them too Worm^TT(talk)

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.

Appears neutral at this stage. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:08, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Stable. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Illustrated, if possible, by images:

(a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

All good. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

(b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

All fine. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Just noting that I've lost internet at home (Thanks BT!) Should be back by the weekend but I'm unable to make fixes before then. Sorry! Worm^TT(talk) 20:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

No problem. A few last comments to come, which I'll add tomorrow. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Hchc2009, thanks for your patience. I've had run though of your suggestions, do you want to have another look? Worm^TT(talk) 13:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Add topic

[1] Richardson, Tim (15 June 2012). "Rodmarton Manor: original and still the best". The Telegraph. Retrieved 26 August 2016.

[2] Ross, David. "Rodmarton Manor". Britain Express. Retrieved 26 August 2016.

[3] "Rodmarton Manor". Historic England. Retrieved 26 August 2016.

[4] "Rodmarton Manor". BBC Domesday reloaded. Retrieved 26 August 2016.

[5] "Cotswold gleaning". Cheltenham Chronical and Gloucestershire Graphic. 28 August 1943. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[6] "Maternity home for Cirencester". Western Daily Press. 25 August 1943. p. 2. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[7] Sarsby, Jacqueline (1997). "Alfred Powell: Idealism and Realism in the Cotswolds". Journal of Design History. 10 (4): 390. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[8] Jordan, Tim; Walrond, Lionel (2014). "Amberley and Rodmarton". The Cotswold House. Amberley Publishing Limited. ISBN 9781445637228.

[9] Powell, Kenneth (13 August 1999). "A house built on the rock of idealism". The Telegraph. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[10] Baggs, A. P.; Jurica, A. R. J.; Sheils, W. J. (1976). "Rodmarton". British History Online. London: Victoria County History. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[11] Coleman, Brian D. (2005). "Rodmarton House". Historic arts & crafts homes of Great Britain (1st ed. ed.). Salt Lake City: G. Smith. pp. 92–112. ISBN 9781586855314. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)

[12] Ecott, Tim (12 March 2005). "Crafty old Cotswolds". The Guardian. Retrieved 29 August 2016.

[13] Plumptre, George (2014). "Rodmarton Manor". The English Country House Garden: Traditional Retreats to Contemporary Masterpieces. Frances Lincoln. ISBN 9781781011881.

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