Talk:Romanians of Chernivtsi Oblast

Issues to be addressed

Biruitorul and Khoikhoi, thanks for clean up.

I think there are many things we can add to this article. Just a few thoughts:

• links to cultural organizations and other NGO in the region, maybe even 1-2 sentances about the more important ones
• I found on the official site of the Chernivtsi Oblast info about how many schools are in Romanian and other simmilar stuff. It would be nice to give info about some of them, and links (if there are any on internet)
• one can even find there the names of mayors of villages, and of officials in raions' and region's administration. Such info is not secret and does not infringe anyone's privacy. On the contrary, having some of it on wikipedia with links would be useful for those metioned
• list of historic monuments relevant to the Romanian community, with photos and links
• the number of Romanians by raion, and the list of villages and towns with majority or significant Romanian population
• photos. E.g. I would really like to have a photo of the Codrii Cozminului battlefield.
• list of historic Romanian personalities that lived on the territory of present day Chernivtsi region

Of course this is not everything, and not all have equal weight. I am quite busy in real life, and far away from Romania or the region now to be able to contribute with photos or with info that is available only in Romania or around. But I will do what I can to find other sourses of info in meantime. I would be very glad if someone is interested in working (slowly, obviously) with me or independently on this page. In time we might want to make more article, and link them here:

• about Hotin fortress
• about the enents that led to the 1497 battle and the battle itself
• about people link Eudoxiu Hurmuzachi and the like - i think they desearve much more than is already available on wikipedia

Dc76 21:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The map

Ethnic divisions in Chernivtsi Oblast with Ukrainians, Romanians, Russians (Lipovans), and Jewish areas depicted in white, blue, red, and yellow respectively. Extensively forested areas are green.

I would like to thank Dc76 and Constantzeanu for their work on the map (honestly!), but my only concern is that it might violate WP:NOR. The policy states that "articles may not contain any unpublished arguments, ideas, data, or theories; or any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published arguments, ideas, data, or theories that serves to advance a position". Combining two sources like that to make a map is therefore considered original research. My suggestion is that we find other ethnic maps of Chernivtsi Oblast that do show the forests. How does that sound? Khoikhoi 01:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we'll find that. There are many sources about the ethnic distribution and there are maps with the forests but I do not know of any maps that combine both. Maybe we should revert back to the previous version. It's just that given the geography of the chernivtsi oblast, the locations of the forests is relevent. Dapiks 01:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic divisions in Chernivtsi Oblast with Ukrainians, Romanians, Russians (Lipovans), and Jewish areas depicted in white, blue, red, and yellow respectively.

I agree that it's relevant, I was just looking for a solution where we woudln't violate Wikipedia policy. Khoikhoi 01:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right. We should not give up the prospect of finding such a map. Meanwhile, here is the map as it should look like without the forests, based on the maps we have. I modified the previous map a little bit, since it was factually wrong (it was placing some areas as Romanian when in fact the villages there were Ukrainian and vice-versa). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Constantzeanu (talk • contribs) 02:29, 30 October 2006.

Alright, I've replaced the map for now. BTW, I noticed the original map is partly based on the 1910 Austrian Census—shouldn't it be completely based on the 2001 Ukranian Census? The demographics have changes significantly since then. Khoikhoi 02:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. I am sorry my contribution to that map was of poor quality. I used Goodle Maps, but I am really bad at drawing. If you have a map with forests, mountains, etc, please do but it below. We will ajust the dimensions of the two maps, and readers could see one below the other at the same scale. that is not bad. And of course, if and when we find a map containing both - we put it. how's that for a temporary solution?:Dc76 03:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, sounds good to me. Khoikhoi 03:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Dapiks 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Also to answer your question Khoikhoi, the map that is there right now is exclusively based on the current census. Take a look at these sources [1], [2] (this site requires a password, and if you are not signed in you cannot access it. Here, I am going to post the image here instead but you'll have to erase it after since it is probably copyrighted). Dapiks 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. Do you want me to delete it now? Khoikhoi 06:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, if you don't need it anymore.Dapiks 13:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I recently changed the ethnic map of the Chernivtsi region with one that shows a realistic image, regarding the ethnic groups there. There is a consensus on the Talk page of this article about this.(Daniel1918 (talk) 17:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC))

Actually, this is the first post here for almost two years, and it concerned a totally different issue back then. So far, the "consensus" has been achieved by getting the opposing party blocked, which is kinda not nice. I'm tempted to revert to Xasha's version just because of that, but will have to examine the situation closer, instead. --Illythr (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No, Illythr. The map is disputed. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Cvethnic1980.png

(Daniel1918 (talk) 18:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC))

The image's obviously a copy of the above version with the only difference being that it is based on the 2001 All-Ukrainian population census for the Chernivtsi oblast, which does differentiate between Romanians and Moldovans, resulting in the populations of the latter being marked with a different color in areas where they significantly outnumber the former. Both maps, however, are severely outdated: The number of Jews in the region is no longer significant and the Russian population is numerous enough only in the two towns. In fact, with the exception of two localities, Ukrainians now heavily outnumber all other groups combined (although I somehow doubt that there's an Ukrainian under every rock and tree, as the map suggests).

Therefore, I will remove both maps and replace them with a new one, that represents the 2001 census results more accurately. --Illythr (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Current situation

It would be awfully nice if someone added some info about how these communities are doing right now. Culture, media, ties to Romania etc. As far as this article is concerned, the only thing these Romanians are notable for is their persecution by Soviet authorities. --Illythr (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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