Talk:Romeo and Juliet (Tchaikovsky)

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I noticed that this article uses material directly quoted from http://www.barbwired.com/barbweb/programs/tchaikovsky_romeo.html. The author of those original notes states on the page:

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Portions are directly quoted in this article, but not indicated as such. Furthermore, there is no clear attribution of this material to the original source, only a link in the external links section. I have e-mailed the author to ask for permission to use her work in this article under the Wikipedia:GFDL and am waiting to hear back. Sancho (talk) 22:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Used in The Jazz Singer?

The Overture's love theme had been used in many TV shows and movies such as The Jazz Singer, Wayne's World, Scrubs, Seeing Double, Ren & Stimpy, South Park, Clueless,A Christmas Story, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Moonraker, etc.

I kinda doubt it was the 1927 Jazz Singer; it may have been in one of the later versions. Anyone know anything about this? -- JackofOz (talk) 05:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The overture's theme is used quite distinctly during the scene where Al Jolson comes home to visit his mother after many years and confronts his father. The Photoplayer 08:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. We need to specify which version of the movie we're talking about. -- JackofOz (talk) 19:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, It was also used on a cartoon insert on Sesame Street. The cartoon was about a acorn falling off an oaktree and growing into a new oaktree. BuddyBoy600 (talk) 02:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC) --User:BuddyBoy600

Lack of opus number

I'd say R&J is the only one of Tchaikovsky's major works that does not have an opus number. It is certainly the only one in the standard repertoire not to have one. Anyone hazard a guess why he never gave it one? I know he revised it a number of times before being satisfied with it, but that was true of other works as well, which were given opus numbers. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I've been kinda curious about that too. Doesn't seem to be anything at TR.net about it, at least. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The question 'why he (Tchaikovsky) never gave it one (an opus number)' implies a misapprehension; some composers in the 20th century gave opus numbers to their own works (e.g. Prokofiev) but, as far as I'm aware, in the 19th century they were only assigned by the publishing houses. So I think the answer to this question is contained (by implication) within the article, viz. the information that R&J was published by the Berlin firm Bote & Bock, the first of his works to be published outside Russia. All Tchaikovsky's works up to then (just nine, I think) had been published by Moscow firm Jurgenson and I suspect (though I've checked only a sample) that all his numbered opuses were issued by that publisher, who presumably kept a list. Tiresias13 (talk) 12:28, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Key drop?

The action suddenly slows, the key dropping from B minor to D-flat ...

That's quite some drop, 2 sharps to 5 flats. In what sense is it a "drop", as opposed to a "rise", for example? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 02:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

In pre-equal-temperament times, keys with flats actually sounded "lower" or "darker" than keys with sharps, but I don't know if that is meant here... besides, it moves from minor to major, so there... -- megA (talk) 10:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Put "Romeo and Juliet" part of title in italics

Please put the "Romeo and Juliet" part of this article's title in italics. I tried to do it myself but couldn't figure out how to do it. Mksword (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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First version and some misunderstandings.

The description of the final version states: "The first strand, written in F-sharp minor, following Mily Balakirev's suggestion, is the introduction representing the saintly Friar Laurence." It is not clear to which the partial phrase "following Mily Balakirev's suggestion refers, especially since the slow introduction of the 1869 version (E major, a series of variations, with the introduction of the love theme - not yet recognisable as such - at the end) and the one of the third and final 1880 version (F sharp minor) have nothing in common: the thematic material is different (three themes instead of one main theme with varying accompaniments plus the foreshadowing of the love theme), the key is different (or, rather, the keys are), the structure of the introduction is different. Огненный ангел (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)