Talk:Ron Weasley/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

If WP is so strict on sourcing...

So how come the "relationships" section doesn't have a single one? Tagged it. --Ted87 07:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I rather agree. While the information is quite on the money, it needs citation. i will wait until, say November 4th, and then i will remove the entire section to here for citation. Hopefully, that will spur people on to find the appropriate references. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I forgot about this; I never bothered removing the tag because I figured someone else would who understood policy a little better than I do. But the way I see it, this is simply a discussion of the plot, and therefore the novels are the sources. So we could use those ^[HP1] type tags, but everyone seems to hate those. But as far as I can see (after a cursory glance through the section), the section doesn't include anything not stated in the books, but rather discusses plot points. Am I missing something? faithless (^speak) 07:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

No, you aren't missing anything, Faithless. I think that the material takes some intuitive leaps that the books don't explicitly take. there's an evaluative quality to the writing style that clearly draws conclusions from the different Potter books en toto, and while that's not bad for a fan forum or a persuasion piece, it's utter poison here without citation. The fact that its reasonable is not enough to retain it, specifically because its a reasoned argument. It needs citations to stay. I do hope someone finds some citable sources for it. i would hate to excise it from the article. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 09:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW Arcayne, after you left this message I started reading it a little more closely and saw what you were talking about. It's cruft, probably needs to be rewritten, that is if it goes back in at all. I'm not at all convinced it's necessary in the first place. faithless (^speak) 03:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed section and subsections

Due to the conversation immediately above (please read it, as it might answer anticipated questions), I have decided that the section and subsections regarding relationships be removed from the article until we can cite the material better. It cannot return to the article without citation, and this means non-fan forum and bloggy material, no supposition, no 'I think', etc.

Relationships (Unreferencedsection|date=October 2007)

Hermione Granger

Ron's romantic feelings for Hermione Granger are foreshadowed as early as the second book, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, though it may be argued they appear even in the first book. When Hermione is Petrified by Slytherin's monster, Ron seems most affected, and later, most relieved to know that she will make a full recovery. Hermione's absence is also enough for him to overcome his fear of spiders and confront the giant acromantula, Aragog, living in the Forbidden Forest to find out about Slytherin's monster.

Earlier in the book, Ron tries to curse Malfoy for insulting Hermione, despite having a broken wand; the spell backfires on him, causing him to belch out slugs from his mouth. Ron's attitude towards anyone insulting Hermione continues throughout the series, which is ironic considering that Ron also seems to make the most fun of her. An example, this time in the third book, is when Ron speaks out against Professor Snape for calling Hermione a "know-it-all", something that he himself does (according to Harry) at least twice a week.

Though Ron and Hermione's friendship until then (and indeed throughout the series) is marked by continuous bickering and argument, they have their first major falling out in the third book. In Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Ron blames Hermione for failing to control her cat who seems to have killed Ron's rat, and their estrangement intensifies when Hermione continues reprimanding Harry and Ron for their rule-breaking, to the point of getting Harry's broomstick confiscated, leading both Ron and Harry to ignore her for most of the year. It is only after Hagrid chides Ron for valuing his pets more than his friends, and expressing how worried Hermione was when Ron had been attacked by Sirius Black, coupled with her difficulty in coping with her studies and her loneliness after losing her best friends, that Ron and Hermione patch up (Hermione almost breaks down in Ron's arms).

In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Ron's feelings for Hermione (which were until then quite subtle) become more obvious. He has a major argument with Hermione for going with Viktor Krum to the Yule Ball, accusing her of "fraternising with the enemy". Hermione however, calls Ron's jealousy for what it is and famously tells him to "ask [her] out first, and not as a last resort" the next time there is a ball. This jealousy is reflected throughout the book when Ron gets visibly annoyed every time Krum's name is mentioned. On her part, Hermione also seems to be annoyed when Ron develops an infatuation over the gorgeous part-Veela, Fleur Delacour.

By the fifth book, their relationship seems to have developed to the point where Ron gifts Hermione a perfume for Christmas, while Hermione wishes him luck (and tries to relieve his nerves about the upcoming Quidditch match) by kissing him on the cheek. There are also minor incidents when Ron's jealousy again comes to the fore, once when he sees Hermione writing a letter to Victor Krum ("Who are you writing the novel to?"), and again when Hermione tries to assure Harry that he wasn't a bad kisser ("How would you know?").

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince marks their second major falling out over the course of the series. Ron, who has learnt that Hermione had kissed Krum sometime in their fourth year, tries to get back at her by dating (or, "mostly snogging") their classmate Lavender Brown. Hermione retaliates by asking out Cormac McLaggen (a guy Ron detests), and when this fails, she goes back to cold-shouldering him, stopping only to taunt and pass cruel remarks. All this changes when Ron is almost killed by a deadly poison; Ron and Hermione become friends again, and even though it takes Ron sometime to break up with Lavender, Hermione is at least back on talking terms with him. By the end of book, Harry sees Ron comforting a crying Hermione who has her head resting on his shoulder.

Ron and Hermione's feelings for each other are finally consummated in the last book, when they passionately kiss during the final Battle of Hogwarts, only pulling apart when Harry reminds them of the war going on around them, almost as if to get revenge on Ron for banning him from kissing his sister, Ginny (whom Harry starts dating in their sixth year). Ron is described as looking as though he's been hit on the head with a bludger. It is revealed in the epilogue that Ron and Hermione are married, and have two children, Rose and Hugo Granger-Weasley.

Lavender Brown

Lavender began to show signs of interest in Ron beginning in their sixth year. In the beginning Ron was either oblivious or disinterested in Lavender's obvious attraction. However, Ron soon began a relationship with Lavender following a fallout between himself and Hermione after coming close to the two admitting a mutual attraction. Ron's relationship with Lavender was short lived due to the fact he did not have much in common with Lavender and the relationship was entirely physical. After Lavender escalates her clingy ways, Ron begins to show signs of tiring of the relationship. While he is in the hospital wing recovering from being an almost deadly poisoning he fakes sleeping every time Lavender comes to visit him. Ron initiated the relationship with Lavender primarily for the purpose of making Hermione jealous (although Ginny's taunts regarding Ron's success with women did not help), which seemed to work, as Hermione made a disastrous attempt to date Cormac McLaggen, an egomaniacal seventh year who Ron heartily detested, to get revenge. Hermione appears unnerved at Ron's continuing relationship but cannot even look at Ron while he is dating Lavender, and seemed happy and lighthearted when the relationship ends.

Others

Ron shows signs of attraction to a number of other women throughout the series, although his attraction is almost universally for their looks. This causes Hermione to scathingly comment on numerous occasions (including his "fancy" for Madame Rosmerta, owner of the Three Broomsticks pub) on her perception that Ron is emotionally shallow. Ron has an obvious crush on Fleur Delacour due to her amazing beauty, although the attraction seems merely physical and he has displayed no signs of jealousy at the fact that Fleur is now married to his brother, Bill and even has children with him.

Discussion about removed section

Please commence firing. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 03:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I Finished an article about Neville Longbottom because I think he deserves his own page since he made great impact in the movie people are contesting to delete it since he already have a Neville Longbottom section in his article Dumbledore's Army this is the link to the article please make a fair vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Longbottom_(Fictional_Character) --Moeelmekkawy (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

There's a clean-up a-coming

the article, Hermione Granger is currently a Good Article (GA) which means it has achived a level of quality that we have yet to achieve here in Ron Weasley. For example, here is the Table of Contents for this article:

:::1 Appearances

1.1 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

1.2 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

1.3 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

1.4 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

1.5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

1.6 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

1.7 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

1.7.1 Nineteen Years Later

1.8 Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericp1124 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

2 Attributes

2.1 Appearance

2.2 Personality

2.3 Magic and skill

2.4 Family

3 Family tree

4 References

...and here is the TOC for Hermione Granger:

:::1 Background

2 Character development

3 Personality

4 Appearances

4.1 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

4.2 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

4.3 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

4.4 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

4.5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

4.6 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

4.7 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

4.7.1 Epilogue

5 Film portrayal

6 References

7 External links

Note the differences? There is a decidedly less in-universe feel to just the table of contents in the GA article. I realize the the character of Hermione is a muggle and thusly has less in the way of wizardly history, but I think we really need to ask ourselves how we can finally move beyond the in-universe Crazy™ that seems to teem within the Harry Potter articles. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I've addressed and fixed up the Epilogue part. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the clean-up. Ron's article deserves a GA status as well and it is a shame that it has lots of in-universe stuff (thanks God someone removed the "relationships" section). I think that the "Family" section in the current article is all in-universe. Maybe providing a link to the Weasley family article would be better. Lord Opeth (talk) 04:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Protected Article

Why has this article been protected against IP addresses since August? Isn't that a bit excessive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.179.224 (talk) 19:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ron Weasly family tree/horcrux

Ok more than one comment and question on this. Ok on the family tree it has lilly potter james potter and some other name as the kids but as i remember my freind telling me they had a lilly potter sevrus potter in memory of snape and a albus potter no james potter. and isnt snape a pureblood. and then just a quik question on the horcux thing if one of them is in harry potter wouldnt he have to die to destroy that part of his soul? or just because of the whole no spell for it thing because either way its stored inside isnt it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greeknoitall234 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

On the family tree, the following will all be spoilers as it seems you have not read the book(s), no your friend is wrong it that case, the three children of Harry and Ginny are James, Albus and Lily (Albus middle name is Severus in honour of Snape). And no Snape is not a pure blood. On the "horcrux" in Harry, JKR created a loop hole where, because Voldemort had used Harry's blood to regenerate his body the protection Lily had given Harry went into Voldemort's body and made Harry immortal as long as Voldemort lived, just as Voldemort was immortal because Harry lived (and some other horcruxes). So when the killing curse hit Harry he survived because of his blood and protection in Voldemort, but the piece of Voldemort's soul died... It doesn't seem to follow logic perhaps, but that's what JKR wrote. — CHANDLER^#10 — 20:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

ok so i tried to understand so he made harry imortal when he used his blood in the fourth book but when he used his blood the peice of voldermort's soul died. am i right on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greeknoitall234 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

My assumption is that since the killing curse first killed the Horcrux that was Harry, that just left Harry. I would imagine that a second killing curse would have, in fact, killed Harry. Useight (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

wait wait wait i thought that the peice of his soul got seald inside him when he used the killing curse. and on the snape not being a purblood then how was he death eater if all death eaters were against half bloods? or do they notknow that he is not a pureblood.

Death eaters are NOT against HALF-BLOODS, they are against muggles and mudbloods. Remember that Voldemort himself is a half-blood. — CHANDLER^#10 — 16:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Voldemort did not tell his Death Eaters that he is half-blood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.202.21.248 (talk) 11:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Of course Snape was a half blood, he was after all the HALF BLOOD prince :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.111.94 (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Harry getting 'killed' in the last book: I though the ring (a deathly hallow of the title, that he got from Dumbledore) came in here. He was actually dead although not passed on. At the end of their meeting Dumbledore moves on and Harry chooses to return. And yes, there was this whole horcrux business; Harry having some sort of protection because of his mother's sacrifice (passed on to Voltermort because of the blood thing), and the blood thing. I get a little confused. Dannman (talk) 14:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

"family tree"

Where did Percy's children, George's marriage and children, and Bill's children besides Victoire come from? The only children we see in the book are Harry's & Ginny's, Ron's & Hermione's, and Victoire. Who is inventing this garbage? Get rid of it. Ingridjames (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

A woman known as J.K. Rowling, that's who is inventing this "rubbish". She releases information through the means of interviews, not just within the books. Molineux123 (talk) 00:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

But Arthur Weasley is a son of a Black and Molly somehow is also related to the Black. Did JK Rowling say this? Because it wouldn`t fit to the book's plot and it would be ugly -> incest.

In England marrying a cousin is not considered incest (Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip are cousins). Keep in mind that the wizards are basically a small ethnic group that rarely marries outside; as a result nearly all the wizards (except the Muggleborns) are related to each other to some degree, and at least one branch (the Gaunts) are dangerously inbred. Rowling discusses some of the relationships in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX.CharlesTheBold (talk) 03:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that according to all this children J. K. Rowling told us about in interviews there are some citations missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.100.85.189 (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

They're so far removed from each other that it would hardly matter. In Australia it is legal to marry any member of your family as long as it is not your parent, brother, sister, grandparent or child. Naynay104 (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

should his wife be present in the intro?

as his wife more than a high-school friend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.137.54 (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be included in the "parody" section that Ron Weasley is also a prominent character in the YouTube hit "A Very Potter Musical" and is portrayed by Joey Richter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.138.116 (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request from Trenchcoatstate, 7 June 2011

Please add "Muriel Weasley" to the family tree in Ron Weasley's "Family" section, because she is not on there and in the last Harry Potter book she is mentioned to have been the Weasley childrens' great-aunt, and she is the sister of Septimus Weasley (who is already on the family tree).

Trenchcoatstate (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.- Happysailor ^(Talk) 21:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps not a WP:RS, but one that uses RS's for it's info: according to the HP Lexicon, Muriel is a great-aunt on Molly's side, not Arthur's (thus making her not a Weasley and not the sister of Septimus). According to the Lexicon, it is unclear how exactly Muriel is related to Molly's parents (which parent she's the sister of, whether she is a sister or sister-in-law) and with that information, it is hardly appropriate to add her to the family tree since we don't know how she is related. If you can find sources that indicate her exact relation, perhaps an addition would be appropriate, but for now all we can do is speculate and that doesn't do us much good. --Zoeydahling (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Married – commonly accepted belief

Please see Talk:Harry Potter (character)/Archive 4#Married – commonly accepted belief for discussion also affects this article. Cheers, Kirin13 (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2015

For the section on personality, you should add "However, when his family or friends are in danger or threatened, Ron does everything he can to protect them, which indicates he's not completely insensitive, as he cares about them. An example of this is in the film version of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, when Ron overhears about Ginny's kidnapping, he is devastated and becomes very worried about her." 165.112.97.73 (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unfortunately, Wikipedia cannot accept personal analysis or synthesis of sources to reach a conclusion that isn't explicitly stated by the source. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 01:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

additional family members

As to the recent addition of family members - consensus has never been in favour of including these. It was discussed here as Mezigue pointed out. If an editor believes that they should be included and that the consensus has changed, then the onus is on them to justify the change, and that discussion should take place here on the article talk page, not another editors talk page where it is unlikely to be seen by others. Moreover, as per WP:BRD - the original, not your new preferred version stays in place while we discuss. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I see that S has reverted again. It should be noted that the 3RR does not have to be within the 24 hour period to be classed as edit warring. S states that with regard to them trying to discuss the matter "I have, repeatedly, but no one is willing to discuss." - I can only see a single attempt at discussion on any talk pages, be they article or user - an edit to User:Mezigue's talk page here that was made on 24th April. I'd hardly call that "repeatedly". Well, here's your chance - please discuss, thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Auror

J.K. Rowling has confirmed that Ron retired as an Auror in 2000 and THEN went to work for George. Can this be changed?86.183.103.224 (talk) 23:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Ron Wesley's last appearance

Ron Wesley's last appearance should be the cursed child like Harry and Hermione Mehnaz rahman (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I also thought this. However both Harry and Hemionie's pages say the last appearance was Deathly Hallows. While Ginny's says Cursed Child Jordan8396.ja (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2018

About the actor rupert grint

Can i please change something. I will not delete anything but I want to add more information. Severusmalfoy (talk) 20:14, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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Illustration for the character as the main page image

Hi all,

I edited both Harry and Hermione as having illustrations for the main info box and their film portrayals within that section. I think this reflects their statuses as literary characters better as well as feels more cohesive with other literary character pages on the site. This one has been changed back but others (as of yet) remain the same. I thought I’d ask others option on this?

Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Paul Thornley

The link to Paul Thornley leads to a sports player called Paul Thornley, when it should lead to the actor's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Thornley_(actor)

(I'd edit it myself but it's a protected page :P) SillyBilly3 (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done —El Millo (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2021

73.202.252.126 (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC) the links of ginny weasley are linked t dumbledores army. she has her own page so link to that.

 Done Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request

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