Talk:Rosal, Sutherland

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in Strathnaver, shortly before it was deserted entirely?

• Source: Maverik Guide to Scotland p512

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Created by DandelionAndBurdock (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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-- D'n'B-t -- 16:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, and properly sourced. No QPQ needed. Earwig found no problematic copied wording. Good-enough hook, but one must synthesize a couple pieces of information in the article to obtain it: the "largest township" part is at the end of the town section, dated to the early 19th century, while the "deserted" part is at the end of the "clearance" section. In fact both facts are adjacent in the "Maverick Guide to Scotland" source, with much tighter dating (largest in 1815; cleared between 1814 and 1818) and to avoid problems with WP:SYN the article would benefit from making them adjacent somewhere within it, footnoted to that source. Also, "deserted" is maybe a euphemism for what happened. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David. What if the sentence in the Town section said "Before the clearance, it was the largest of 49 townships in Strathnaver"? That would would be consistent with the Maverick Guide guide source and not change up the current before-during-after structure. I could also change the sentence in the Clearance section to say "completely deserted by 1818" to avoid any ambiguity.

I think "deserted" is, from a NPOV, the end result of what happened, it describes what's left. You could say "forcibly depopulated" or something but I think "deserted" is clear enough and used in the sources. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

To me, "deserted" is an accurate and neutral description of the state of the place now, but not of the process by which it reached that state. How about

• ALT1 ... that before its inhabitants were evicted, Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in Strathnaver?

but that would require a new reviewer as I can't both propose hooks and approve them. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that ALT1, (although with the link just saying "Rosal" for preference). -- D'n'B-t -- 19:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

That was an unintentional omission. I've piped the link as you originally did now. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 short enough, cited, and interesting, though may be worth adding "in Scotland" per WP:DYKINT. Let's roll.--Launchballer 06:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)